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Old 10-06-2006, 04:27 PM   #12341
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Your preoccupation with guns is more than a little worrying.
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Old 10-06-2006, 04:28 PM   #12342
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Be glad I don't live near you.

In reality, firearms and artillery simply are a feature of the history that I study, of which you can't really study without learning a good deal about such weapons as I talk about. My expertise in weaponry has unnerved more than a few people, though.
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Your preoccupation with guns is more than a little worrying.
Haven't you ever heard of Peace through Superior Firepower?
And remember, people who give up there weapons usually wind up ruled by the people who kept theirs
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Old 10-06-2006, 04:36 PM   #12344
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Ppl. who have guns usually end up shooting the wrong person..
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Ppl. who have guns usually end up shooting the wrong person..

Correction: Irresponsible persons who have guns usually end up shooting the wrong person. Firearms are not the "evil, horrible killing machines" that most people believe them to be. They're like a hammer. Or a screwdriver. A tool is what guns are.


And, like with any tool, you can put it to the responsible, logical role it was meant for. Use it wrongly, and yes, someone might get wounded, or killed.
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You can't get Britain's highest award for killing one Kraut. You'd have to kill a few of the buggers, at least.
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Ppl. who have guns usually end up shooting the wrong person..
I haven't shot the wrong person yet. It's always been who I was aiming for.
But seriously the problem with guns is that, unlike the school I went to, there are no classes in responsible gun ownership like there were when I went to school. Heck I actually took a 20 gauge shotgun on the school bus since the instructor did not have a left handed one.
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Heck I actually took a 20 gauge shotgun on the school bus since the instructor did not have a left handed one.
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...A left-handed what, might I ask?
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Left handed Mossburg 20 gauge Semi automatic shotgun. Left Handed weapons discharge empty cartridges from the opposite side than right ones so you do not get powder burn. Also I was used to the weapon since it was set up for me and I skeet shoot with a full choke barrel
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Correction: Irresponsible persons who have guns usually end up shooting the wrong person. Firearms are not the "evil, horrible killing machines" that most people believe them to be. They're like a hammer. Or a screwdriver. A tool is what guns are.


And, like with any tool, you can put it to the responsible, logical role it was meant for. Use it wrongly, and yes, someone might get wounded, or killed.
The way that too many irresponsible people have access to guns ending up killing innocent people makes me look at firearms as evil, horrible killing machines and not tools. (Jeez ) Right now I'm thinking about the last three incidents within one week in schools in the US: Platte Canyon Colorado, Cazenovia Wisconsin and the Amish school in Pennsylvania. I'd say you have a huge problem over there.
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And, like with any tool, you can put it to the responsible, logical role it was meant for. Use it wrongly, and yes, someone might get wounded, or killed.
A gun is a tool - made for shooting things. A screwdriver is a tool - made for fixing things. A bassoon is also a tool - made for making music. More people with bassoons means more potential for music. More people with screwdrivers means more potential for fixing things. More people with guns means more potential for shooting things.

Even if we disregard the kinds of guns made for the only purpose of shooting humans (which, weird enough, usually is the kind defended with the argument you use), the right use of the tool is still to shoot things. I'm not against hunting or such things, but I still think that screwdriver comparision that's so common is a fair bit off. Sure, you can kill something with a screwdriver, but most guns are designed to kill things. Big difference.
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A gun is a tool - made for shooting things. A screwdriver is a tool - made for fixing things. A bassoon is also a tool - made for making music. More people with bassoons means more potential for music. More people with screwdrivers means more potential for fixing things. More people with guns means more potential for shooting things.

Even if we disregard the kinds of guns made for the only purpose of shooting humans (which, weird enough, usually is the kind defended with the argument you use), the right use of the tool is still to shoot things. I'm not against hunting or such things, but I still think that screwdriver comparision that's so common is a fair bit off. Sure, you can kill something with a screwdriver, but most guns are designed to kill things. Big difference.

What about bows? Aren't they made for shooting things too? Yet there are fewer reports of people being shot by bows, despite the fact that you probably don't even need a licencse to carry a bow, even in the US (at least you don't need one in Germany). There's people hunting with bows, and the modern ones can deliver a strong killing blow.

However, most people just shoot at straw targets.

There's something about guns that's different, it seems.


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In England we can legally hunt the Welsh with a longbow.
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Correction: Irresponsible persons who have guns usually end up shooting the wrong person. Firearms are not the "evil, horrible killing machines" that most people believe them to be. They're like a hammer. Or a screwdriver. A tool is what guns are.


And, like with any tool, you can put it to the responsible, logical role it was meant for. Use it wrongly, and yes, someone might get wounded, or killed.
To follow up on Trumgottist's comments. Not only is a gun specifically designed for the purpose of shooting things, it also allows you to do damage from a distance. If I want to kill someone with a hammer or screwdriver I have to get right up close and personal. With a gun I can easily kill someone from a long way off, giving them less chance to realise my hostile intent and take defensive action.

To turn it the other way can you come up with a useful purpose for the gun. By this I mean one that provides a positive benefit (in the way a hammer and screwdriver enable you to build/fix things) At one time hunting would have been necessary for survival but that's no longer the case for the majority of the populace so that's no longer a valid use in the context.

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What about bows? Aren't they made for shooting things too? Yet there are fewer reports of people being shot by bows, despite the fact that you probably don't even need a licencse to carry a bow, even in the US (at least you don't need one in Germany). There's people hunting with bows, and the modern ones can deliver a strong killing blow.

However, most people just shoot at straw targets.

There's something about guns that's different, it seems.


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Actually I think you have a good point. The big difference between the two is probably the skill involved. Firing a bow accurately takes practice and firing a bow any distance requires physical strength (depending on the draw of the bow) Firing a gun only requires someone to point the barrel in the right direction and flex a finger. The aiming and distance is largely down to the skill of the gunmaker. It is also very hard to get off a bow shot at point blank range.

That said, given the undoubted lethality of bows as demnastrated throughout history, I'd say it would be wise to limit the right to jsut carry one around the streets with you. It would be difficult to control the ownership of a weapon that is relatively easy to construct from common materials though.
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This discussion is interesting and I'm enjoying it immensly. I guess the frontier spirit of southern and central US is dominant im my bloodstream.

I for one quit hunting long ago due to the fact that I have family that enjoy it more than I do. This allows me to have venison whenever I want it and the thrill of the kill left me long ago. Though I still do think that a person should have to go out and kill his own food at least once in his life, this would give people even more appreciation of nature and your place in life.

But back on the subject. I am still always in strong belief that if you ever give up your abiltiy to defend yourself to others then all you do is turn into sheep that are fat for the slaughter. I am not in the NRA or anything but this is my opinion. A public that has the ability to arm itself keeps things like totalitarian governments,(ie; Khmer Rouge, Military takeovers, direct military assault from other countries.) from ever having a chance to take control. This is thought by some to be an archaic stance but it is historically accurate. Just ask any country who tried to take over another when every farmer was shooting at you.
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Speaking of hunting, didn't someone post a picture of a white moose somewhere? That head would look great mounted on a wall.
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