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Old 01-06-2009, 01:28 PM   #33081
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Your mom is a preferable alternative to communism.
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Old 01-06-2009, 01:45 PM   #33082
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The death of this Thread™ is a preferable alternative to anything.
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:14 PM   #33083
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Even the Megadeth of the Thread™?
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:58 PM   #33084
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Can I disagree?
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:10 PM   #33085
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The opposite of communism is libertarianism, not democracy.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:15 PM   #33087
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Well, no. Libertarianism is simply the belief in less intrusion by government; it isn't a full-fledged system of government like communism and democracy. If anything, democracy is a libertarian school of thought.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:48 PM   #33088
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what We're looking for is

Anarchy!!!!


I personally am for a democratically elected republic.

as opposed to to all these pseudo-elected one party systems that are just fronts for totalitarian governments and the "Do as I say or else!" oligarchies calling themselves "Peoples Republics".

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Yeah, but communism is more an ideology than a system of government.

Anyway, question. Do you see your own government as a perfect democracy? If so, how? If not, what is your idea of a perfect democracy?
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Yeah, but communism is more an ideology than a system of government.

Anyway, question. Do you see your own government as a perfect democracy? If so, how? If not, what is your idea of a perfect democracy?
The US is not a Democracy. It is the aforementioned "democratically elected republic" I was talking about.
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Old 01-06-2009, 05:32 PM   #33091
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I beg to differ. The United States is a constitutional republic.

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Yeah, but communism is more an ideology than a system of government.

Anyway, question. Do you see your own government as a perfect democracy? If so, how? If not, what is your idea of a perfect democracy?
No, I don't. Of course it isn't. A perfect democracy would be a system where people had a perfect understanding of their and every other nation, society, and culture, were completely aware of each and every issue and how they should be addressed, and knew the perfect kind of person needed for each position of authority. Furthermore, a perfect democracy would completely transparent, and consequently 100% efficient; a common voice of the people would ask their government for what they needed, and they would be granted their request. The United States is hardly such a nation.

So unfortunately, for a perfect democracy/nation/society to work it would have to be comprised entirely of perfect, intelligent, benevolent, and reasonable people, who had no vestiges of greed, selfishness, ignorance, or corruption. A honey bee hive comprised of humans, really. Which is why I suspect we haven't seen a perfect government yet, or ever will.


Strangely, I can't make any argument about a perfect government of any kind without citing the root of all problem as the fallablility of humans. Hmm.

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Couldn't you say pretty much the exact same thing about a perfect system of government based on communism, then?
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Couldn't you say pretty much the exact same thing about a perfect system of government based on communism, then?
Hmmmmm. Can you show me a communist country that allows free and open dissent?
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Couldn't you say pretty much the exact same thing about a perfect system of government based on communism, then?
Yes, you could. I guess the bottom line is that humans can't carry out any good idea without screwing it up.

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Hmmmmm. Can you show me a communist country that allows free and open dissent?
The whole 'free and open dissent' thing, though, is open to question. Surely meaningful opposition requires an equal footing, and dissenting voices in America are totally marginalized in the press. Only where they cannot be controlled are they available. Yes, you can say things in the the States that you could not say in Soviet Poland, but only when it doesn't matter.
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The whole 'free and open dissent' thing, though, is open to question. Surely meaningful opposition requires an equal footing, and dissenting voices in America are totally marginalized in the press. Only where they cannot be controlled are they available. Yes, you can say things in the the States that you could not say in Soviet Poland, but only when it doesn't matter.
Funny, to me it seams the media goes out of the way sometimes to find dissenting ideologies. Not really for informative discussion but just for simple entertainment. The more out there the better.
Not having to listen to another's ideology is a freedom unto itself. Most ideologies that are marginalized are not listened to for a reason. I for one do not think that I should be forced to listen to listen to a Supremacist group of any kind. I defend their right to there ideology but it doesn't mean I have to listen or that the press has a moral obligation to give "Equal Time".

(Hmmmm. death by political discussion.)
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Funny, to me it seams the media goes out of the way sometimes to find dissenting ideologies.
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Yes, you could. I guess the bottom line is that humans can't carry out any good idea without screwing it up.

I think it was Marx himself who said that communism works, but only on paper.


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