[Not A Speck Of Cereal]

Originally Posted by Squinky

The fact that it is women who are stereotyped as having clothes/shoes/makeup as a primary interest (in other words, placing "looking good" as a high priority in their lives) as opposed to men, only serves to reinforce the notion that the function of women in society is to act as objects for men to look at. A very crude and simplistic way of putting things, yes, but that's the essence of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy

[rlpw]

Originally Posted by Squinky

The fact that it is women who are stereotyped as having clothes/shoes/makeup as a primary interest (in other words, placing "looking good" as a high priority in their lives) as opposed to men, only serves to reinforce the notion that the function of women in society is to act as objects for men to look at. A very crude and simplistic way of putting things, yes, but that's the essence of it.

You know, I have to disagree with some of this. I find that most women do not get all dolled up for men as much as they do for other women. Something in most (butt not all, CYA) of these women look at other women as competition for some reason.
The reason I say this is that most of the stylish shoes, dresses, and so forth have nothing to do with what men like. In fact, most men think women look best in a minimal amount of clothing.

[Squinky]

Originally Posted by Not A Speck Of Cereal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy

Oh, don't I wish!

Originally Posted by rlpw

You know, I have to disagree with some of this. I find that most women do not get all dolled up for men as much as they do for other women. Something in most (butt not all, CYA) of these women look at other women as competition for some reason.
The reason I say this is that most of the stylish shoes, dresses, and so forth have nothing to do with what men like. In fact, most men think women look best in a minimal amount of clothing.

Well, as I said, it was a very crude, simplistic way of putting it. Yes, the opinions of other women are a factor; goodness knows I've felt my share of pressure on that end too. But then, one has to ask, where did these women get such standards from in the first place, anyway?

[SSH]

Originally Posted by RLacey

What I do do, though, is to refuse to accept the suggestion that I'm not ugly. That I have an obsession with. Because I like to fish for compliments.

Corrected

False modesty is the worst form of conceit

[stepurhan]

Originally Posted by SSH

Seems that many of the men in this thread are obsessed with their appearance more than the chicks... Trep and Jat on one side, Robert obsessed with his self-percieved ugliness on the other, and as for step and that shirt...

As for me and that shirt what?

Originally Posted by rlpw

In fact, most men think women look best in a minimal amount of clothing.

Sad but true.

My wife isn't a great shoe/clothes buyer. It would waste her book buying money. AS far as I'm concerned she still looks gorgeous.

[Jazhara7]

Originally Posted by RLacey

I'm not sure that I'd describe it as an obsession. I don't lie awake at night worrying about my ugliness. I don't actually think about it much at all, and I certainly don't care; there's no point, and people can just live with it.

What I do do, though, is to refuse to accept the suggestion that I'm not ugly. That I have an obsession with. Because I like people to be honest.

I was always honest when I said you were not ugly. Why don't you believe me?!

Let me tell it to you again: You. Are. Not. Ugly.

I do not believe in lying to people so that they feel better. Lying never helps.



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[stepurhan]

If it's an honest opinion you're after Rob then here's one.

You are not a man that will make women swoon, either through lust or horror. You're a very normal-looking average sort of guy, neither Brad Pitt or Shrek. If you haven't changed your hairstyle much since the picture I saw or you then you've got a style that suits you (you don't have a shaggy shoulder-length or ponytail sort of face). I think were you to grow a beard you might look a bit odd (as I recall your hair is quite light and beards really need to be dark to contrast against the skin) As long as you look after yourself in both hygiene and diet then you're doing fine.

I prescribe a dose of How to Look Good Naked. If only there was a male equivalent program we could send you on. Maybe Wok Gan would be able to convince you.

[Jelena]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

If it's an honest opinion you're after Rob then here's one.

You are not a man that will make women swoon, either through lust or horror. You're a very normal-looking average sort of guy, neither Brad Pitt or Shrek.

And here are my two cents:
You'll probably meet a girl one day who is a normal looking average sort of gal. That's the case for most of us (and certainly for me and Mr J).

One small observation I've done through the years is that a lot of people around me (friends, acquaintacies) that were considered really good looking when they were in your (Rob's)age ended up meeting others that were really good looking. Today though, they're all divorced since they've met new really good looking people or their spouce met someone new really good looking.

I don't draw any general conclusions from this observation. It probably just applies to these people.

And all of us average normal looking people are happliy married.
Go figure!

[stepurhan]

Originally Posted by Jelena

And here are my two cents:
You'll probably meet a girl one day who is a normal looking average sort of gal. That's the case for most of us (and certainly for me and Mr J).

Shouldn't that be your two öre?

Let's face it. If this world contains a woman willing to marry a bearded accountant with appalling taste in shirts (8 years and counting. A former colleague has described the intervening period as "a lapse of concentration" on her part) then there is someone out there for everybody.

[Jelena]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

Shouldn't that be your two öre?

Let's face it. If this world contains a woman willing to marry a bearded accountant with appalling taste in shirts (8 years and counting. A former colleague has described the intervening period as "a lapse of concentration" on her part) then there is someone out there for everybody.

Stepurhan. You're a catch and Mrs Urhan knows it!

[RLacey]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

Maybe Wok Gan would be able to convince you.

I find him really unsettling.

[stepurhan]

No Wok Gan is the (imagined) female equivalent of Gok Wan. She presents the (as yet fictional) male version of "How to Look Good Naked"

(Originally I had her down as Nag Kow but that sounded wrong. )

[Giligan]

Handsome is overrated. Reflexes are what really count when it comes down to the nitty-gritty.

[stepurhan]

Are you saying that it's impossible to beat back a horde or ravening monsters intent on tearing you limb from limb by being handsome at them?

[RLacey]

I think that really depends on what you mean by "a horde or ravening monsters".

[Giligan]

It would be a terrible idea to face down a horde or ravenous monsters with anything short of a SIG 550 with a tripled clip and electro-optical sights. Both of which are features which the 550 supports.

[Sage]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

Are you saying that it's impossible to beat back a horde of ravening monsters intent on tearing you limb from limb by being handsome at them?

ROTFL!

[RLacey]

Whatever. Quite. Indeed.

Heh.

?

[stepurhan]

But surely you can picture the scene.

Originally Posted by Leader of Horde of Ravening Monsters

Graarrrl. Snurt.

Oh, hang on chaps. That's Brad Pitt. We can't tear him limb from limb. Ah, it's OK. Jack Black is over there. Onwards!

Raaaorrrllll!!! Sweeerf!

[RLacey]

Precisely.