[remixor]

Originally Posted by syntheticgerbil

Bah! Rolling Stones only puts the 500 best albums that the dumb American public would want to be considered the 500 best albums.

And the musicians I do like that were on that list, they chose all the incorrect albums, as if they were just throwing darts at a board. Twits.

Also, I don't see anything too special about the Beatles except that the general consensus is that they are somehow genius. So because of that opinion of mine, this whole post is invalidated.

I think you would find that a large percentage of the "dumb American public" would not be well-acquainted or even familiar with many of the albums on that list. I get the feeling that many of your opinions are chosen simply because they're the opposite of what you feel is popular, even if its not a completely conscious decision.

I could definitely be wrong, but in my experience many people automatically discredit the Beatles just because everybody else DOES think they're genius. It's the type of mentality that assumes everything that is popular is inherently bad, which is just wrong. The Beatles happen to be one of the rare cases where an artist remains wildly popular for predominatly the right reasons. Regardless of what made them huge in their early (less innovative) days, the reason they are STILL considered at the top of the heap is because they really did know what they were doing a lot better than most bands do.

[Henke]

Originally Posted by remixor

I think you would find that a large percentage of the "dumb American public" would not be well-acquainted or even familiar with many of the albums on that list.

Regardless of what made them huge in their early (less innovative) days, the reason they are STILL considered at the top of the heap is because they really did know what they were doing a lot better than most bands do.

Actually that list is somewhat the americans view of rock music today. But I'm glad that at least Pantera wasn't on the top 100 (but Nirvana was ).

Beatles is actually the founders of rock music as we know it. If it wasn't for them then the music today would have been much more screwed up then it already is. 8-)

[syntheticgerbil]

Even though I do carry a resentment for most popular attractions, that is not the sole reason I dislike the Beatles. I find most of their lyrics thin and their music dry. Not all, but most. Especially when I see one of the undead members of the band on television regurgitating their old classics and living it up like it ain't no thang.

I mean I like Pink Floyd, and kids at school all love to say that's the greatest band ever and whatnot. But I don't like Peter Gabriel while still respecting him for actually attempting to shatter certain boundaries of music.

This magazine is bad. It holds the sentiment that someone else said earlier that nothing good really come out after the 1980s. They picked the most pedestrian bands from that era, most of that redundant 70s garbage. It is so useless to have 15 albums from one band in the top 500. That doesn't even begin to allow anyone else's genius in because spots are needlessly filled. I think they are just trying to give the consumer a pat on the back for liking the music they are supposed to like... I don't know. This is list is not good. I mean, I love Nick Drake and all, and it was nice of them to include an almost unknown artist (Even though his popularity has been steadily rising as of late.) but it was ridiculous to include three of his albums. Especially since three albums consist of his WHOLE DISCOGRAPHY. That was pointless. Drake's albums are mostly interchangable and unevolving. It would have been best to do a toss up between Five Leaves Left and Pink Moon.

And then they leave out other remarkable acts that have enjoyed some sort of success from that era and onward such as XTC and Frank Zappa. The abscense of Frank Zappa is utter bullshit. They are trying to tell me that out of the 80 albums he created, not one is suitable for making the top 500?! That is impossible, considering how influential and different he ever could be. I think it's because the stoner kids who buy seventies rock albums at Best Buy will always head straight for Lynard Skynard and not Zappa. And Lynard Skynyrd does not belong on here... they were a rehash of their time.

And then the albums that venture a little less known, they pick the wrong ones. Boys Don't Cry by The Cure is not really memorable or anything. It's kind of half assed punk rock, and is not even a true album, just a washed up American version that nerdy goth music girls love. They pick the least memorable Beastie Boys albums, only giving props to Paul's Boutique because critics kiss that unknown records ass, while leaving Hello Nasty out, one of their most incredible and innovative albums to ever take America by storm. Maybe it's because it only had one hit single, rather than two...

Their 90s choices are awful... Okay we get Nirvana, but not one FUGAZI album? Nirvana wasn't that original or anything, the lead singer just happened to commit suicide while swallowing dollar bills. We get Alanis Morisette but not Primus, one of the most oddball things to ever emerge out the eighties. Everyone loves to say that Primus has the best bass ever, but I guess they need to have an overrated album also to be on this list. And damn, nobody even likes Alanis MOrisette after 96, because no one is told to like her any longer and grunge is over. But then that could also count for Nirvana.

Tom Waits was a good unknown choice, but he is actually very popular with mainstream indie kids. (Oops oxymoron... I think I see another pattern though.)

Okay so the Meters was a good unknown choice, but we are also fed with Maximum Attack which is okay but would better be filled with people like Ween, who can pull some of the greatest songs off half assed. We get the fucking Smashing Pumpkins but Bjork only makes one album on here? Great... but considering her extensive collection I would suggest two albums and choosing the ones that sound the prettiest, not the one with the Ren and Stimpy video to go with the hit single.

We get bands like Coldplay and Radiohead, who are remarkably pretentious but can be found ripping off Lou Reed and Boards of Canada respectively. Come on it's so obvious what they are doing.

These is not the greatest albums of all time. That list is impossible. The spectrum is too narrow. They seem to think that before the Beatles came and enlightened our tastes and influenced every band onward, that music sucked. Sure they have essential greatest hits albums of Miles Davis and Sinatra to keep old timers from crying. But I'm crying and I'm not an old timer.

This list fits the stupid mentality of that jerk kid who buys vinyls of all classic rock albums at the record store because he hears they are essential, and then turns around and buys the coolest in indie rock because he wants to look good around his friends with the thick rimmed glasses. That is why Nick Drake is on there. Because he is cool with the online journal kids now. Otherwise Nick Drake would have been an anamoly amongst our "greatest" albums.

Pggh, I do like some of the choices, but this whole thing is not thought out.

I hate Rolling Stone. I hate Magazines. I hate other people. I like to inadvertantly talk to myself. (Such as the above paragraph.) I am full of my own opinions. My friends need to stop letting me see their stupid magazines.

I am a nerd for typing this garbage. No I'm not proofreading.

[mycroft]

Originally Posted by Henke

Actually that list is somewhat the americans view of rock music today. But I'm glad that at least Pantera wasn't on the top 100 (but Nirvana was ).

Aww...come on man!
I realize that Pantera is certainly not top 100 material..but what I'm pointing out is that you seem to despise Pantera.
Pantera has always had a streak of punk music in them.Something I don't quite have a fancy for.However,I still like their earlier stuff.Like when they did Black Sabbath covers.Planet Caravan is one of the better covers I've heard.

Cemetary Gates and Mouth for War are still my favourites along with Cowboys from Hell.I have not kept in touch with their music for a while now..so I can't say if they've indulged in something else...something punkier.The last I'd heard Phil Anselmo was with a Southern American Hardcore Rock circuit with a band called Down.
Let me reiterate...Pantera is not my favourite band.They've never been so.But I certainly don't hate them.Or have I misinterpreted you..?



Regarding the Beatles.I don't think their music was innovative.Influential yes.Innovative no.True..they did do some very experimental sh*t with LSD and on songs like Tomorrow Never Knows but these were the exceptions.
The beauty of the Beatles' music is that the chords and the riffs are so damn simplistic and melodic that they are universally accepted and adored.Simplicity is the key word here.

I think we should have a 'List your top 10 albums of all time' thread.Either no will give a damn about it.Or it will become the thread with most heated debate ever.With people criticizing(read badmouthing) each others taste in music.

[remixor]

Originally Posted by mycroft

The beauty of the Beatles' music is that the chords and the riffs are so damn simplistic and melodic that they are universally accepted and adored.Simplicity is the key word here.

Um, no. Perhaps in their earlier material this is true, but much of their material is far more complex than most rock. One of their strengths and rather unique abilities is making their intricate songs come off as natural enough that they sound simplistic.

[mycroft]

Originally Posted by remixor

Um, no. Perhaps in their earlier material this is true, but much of their material is far more complex than most rock. One of their strengths and rather unique abilities is making their intricate songs come off as natural enough that they sound simplistic.

Hmm...
I don't want to get in an argument with a guy who plays a Fender Strat.
You probably know more about music than I ever will.
But...I still believe that their songs were simplistic.Even their later songs...Hey Jude for example.But its beauty lies in its simplicity.
I do agree with you about some of their stuff being intricate though...like All you need is love.

[remixor]

Originally Posted by mycroft

Hmm...
I don't want to get in an argument with a guy who plays a Fender Strat.
You probably know more about music than I ever will.

I'm a college music major; arguing about music comprises at least 60% of my real-life conversation It's much more taxing over forums, though...

But...I still believe that their songs were simplistic.Even their later songs...Hey Jude for example.But its beauty lies in its simplicity.
I do agree with you about some of their stuff being intricate though...like All you need is love.

Yeah, I won't disagree that they do have a lot of more simplistic material. Hey Jude indeed fits that description. But their harmonies are almost always very intricately constructed, and check out my above post about Abbey Road for how I feel about one of rock's most complex albums (though it may not seem that way at first). Harrison's guitar work is, oddly enough, quite often much more complex than it seems. They're never really thought of as an instrumentally virtuosic band (and I'm not saying they should be), but there's a lot of surprisingly complex stuff in there that often isn't apparent by casual listening.

[Curt]

@Syntheticgerbil: Your whole argument/point was blown out of the water when you mentioned the Beastie Boys. They're bleedin' awful. Rock? Mock more like. What a great pile of steaming horse doodah. And you complain about Bjork only having one album in the list. How did she ever get even one - she has no musical talent whatsoever. Oh-oh! Here comes that horse again ............

But then opinion is always subjective. I guess I must be a nerd for replying............. but then you don't like me anyway.

[RemiO]

The list isn't bad, considering it was put out by a mainstream magazine like Rolling Stone. Was Neutral Milk Hotel's "In The Aeroplane Over The Sea" or Wilco's "Summerteeth" anywhere to be seen on the list? They're often considered two of the best albums over the past fifteen years by the more alternative music press, and should be in the top 30 if they at least wanted to look half-way outside of the mainstream stuff.

Oh yeah, Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" should have joined Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds" in the top two. That's all.

[remixor]

Originally Posted by RemiO

The list isn't bad, considering it was put out by a mainstream magazine like Rolling Stone. Was Neutral Milk Hotel's "In The Aeroplane Over The Sea" or Wilco's "Summerteeth" anywhere to be seen on the list? They're often considered two of the best albums over the past fifteen years by the more alternative music press, and should be in the top 30 if they at least wanted to look half-way outside of the mainstream stuff.

Neutral Milk Hotel has great stuff. I'm not too familiar with Wilco but I just saw them perform live a couple months ago and I liked what I heard, so I'm going to check them out in more detail.

Oh yeah, Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" should have joined Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds" in the top two. That's all.

ROCK.

[Henke]

Originally Posted by mycroft

Aww...come on man!
I realize that Pantera is certainly not top 100 material..but what I'm pointing out is that you seem to despise Pantera.
Pantera has always had a streak of punk music in them.Something I don't quite have a fancy for.However,I still like their earlier stuff.Like when they did Black Sabbath covers.Planet Caravan is one of the better covers I've heard.

Cemetary Gates and Mouth for War are still my favourites along with Cowboys from Hell.I have not kept in touch with their music for a while now..so I can't say if they've indulged in something else...something punkier.The last I'd heard Phil Anselmo was with a Southern American Hardcore Rock circuit with a band called Down.
Let me reiterate...Pantera is not my favourite band.They've never been so.But I certainly don't hate them.Or have I misinterpreted you..?

I think we should have a 'List your top 10 albums of all time' thread.Either no will give a damn about it.Or it will become the thread with most heated debate ever.With people criticizing(read badmouthing) each others taste in music.

I don't perticularly like Pantera. Their earlier stuff was all right. Their later stuff isn't. But I hold them responsible that american metal was dead and buried (which it truly is). I don't really hear any influences of punk music in their music. Maybe they have taken inspiration from some crap american hardcore band. But I bet that if there were any real punk influences it would sound alot better. I do think that the punk music coming from the states can still sound good (unlike metal).

We have had a "List your favourite artist/song" thread before. There were no debates at all really. But some people didn't write anything because they claimed no one liked their kind of music, which was rather sad. But it was fun reading what people listened to.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Curt

@Syntheticgerbil: Your whole argument/point was blown out of the water when you mentioned the Beastie Boys. They're bleedin' awful. Rock? Mock more like. What a great pile of steaming horse doodah.

Even though you admitted it to a point later in your post it's a bit silly and not at all in the spirit of this thread to post a band by band attack on someone elses musical tastes. Surely you have some CD's or groups that you like that people in this thread would declare "a great pile of steaming horse doodah" so you should shut it. For the record I don't have anything against the Beastie Boys or Bjork which is probably why I'm siding with Sean, but it's sort of low, and incorrect, to claim that since your and his musical tastes dont match in some instances, his opinion of the list is invalid. I've already written too much, but I felt insulted by your post even though it was directed at the gerbil.

[Curt]

Originally Posted by Jake

Even though you admitted it to a point later in your post it's a bit silly ...........

Well that's your problem. Silliness is the name of the game around chit chat in case you hadn't noticed so either take it or take off. Just don't go telling me to shut it, Bush!

Anyone who knows me around here, knows me. If they don't, they soon will.

And of course I have some piles of steaming horse doo-dah in my collection. Who doesn't?

[syntheticgerbil]

Okay then, overall I blame the Smashing Pumpkins and their silly ghoul singer for the youth of today.

[Jake]

Is he the one who after shaving his head looked far more penis-like than most people who have shaved their head?

[mycroft]

Originally Posted by Henke

I don't perticularly like Pantera. Their earlier stuff was all right. Their later stuff isn't. But I hold them responsible that american metal was dead and buried (which it truly is). I don't really hear any influences of punk music in their music. Maybe they have taken inspiration from some crap american hardcore band. But I bet that if there were any real punk influences it would sound alot better. I do think that the punk music coming from the states can still sound good (unlike metal).

We have had a "List your favourite artist/song" thread before. There were no debates at all really. But some people didn't write anything because they claimed no one liked their kind of music, which was rather sad. But it was fun reading what people listened to.

Hmm...
I don't want to get in an argument with a guy who calls himself Headbanger and frequents concerts as often as you do.
You probably know more about music than I ever will.
But...How exactly is Pantera responsible for the death of American Metal ?As far as I know American Metal has been dead a long,long time.Hell,I can't even think of an American Metal band right now to strengthen my point.Maybe Slayer or Judas Priest.These are two American Metal bands that I actually liked that I can remember.Err..can you name a few good American Metal bands.So that I may check 'em out.Do you consider Megadeth as metal ?

Most metal bands I listen to are European.Belonging to the Nordic region mainly.Therion,for example.America stopped making Metal a long time ago.It is now overrun by friggin' Alternative bands(I refer to them as 'kids with guitars').And don't even get me started on hip-hop and rap and reggae.

Let us see how many people I manage to annoy with this post.


And Henke...observe the last few posts to see what I meant by a debate over a conflict of musical tastes.This thread might just get hot.

[myhrik]

Originally Posted by mycroft

Regarding the Beatles.I don't think their music was innovative.Influential yes.Innovative no.True..they did do some very experimental sh*t with LSD and on songs like Tomorrow Never Knows but these were the exceptions.
The beauty of the Beatles' music is that the chords and the riffs are so damn simplistic and melodic that they are universally accepted and adored.Simplicity is the key word here.

Um... have you even *listened* to their last 5 albums?

[mycroft]

Originally Posted by myhrik

Um... have you even *listened* to their last 5 albums?

Yes I have.

[AGA]

The Beatles have got to be the most overrated band of all time. Their lyrics were nothing special, and nor was their music. They had a few catchy tunes, but no consistant brilliance. For instance, Revolver, which is considered by many to be their finest album, has two or three good tracks (Yellow Submarine is quite catchy, as in Eleanor Rigby, plus a couple of others I can't remember the title to) but the rest are quite poor.

[doughy white]

Originally Posted by AGA

The Beatles have got to be the most overrated band of all time. Their lyrics were nothing special, and nor was their music. They had a few catchy tunes, but no consistant brilliance. For instance, Revolver, which is considered by many to be their finest album, has two or three good tracks (Yellow Submarine is quite catchy, as in Eleanor Rigby, plus a couple of others I can't remember the title to) but the rest are quite poor.

you should be sent to Wales for that statement.
I haven't got time now, but later I will explain to you at length about The Beatles, their nothing special lyrics and their few catchy tunes.
That is, if Intrepid is not quicker.
Stay tuned.

Edit: Oh, you ARE from Wales, well in that case.... *shrugs shoulders*