A poll: Are fangames bad, by definition?

Wormsie · 01-13-2006, 03:36 AM

We all know from which thread this poll spawns... So, do you think it is absolutely impossible for a game to be good if it is released as freeware and made by dedicated enthusiasts?

EDIT: I apologise for the use of the term "fangame" as a term meaning all amateur adventure games. Shouldn't have been so hasty.

Karmillo · 01-13-2006, 03:44 AM

I voted other...well when i voted i had a reason but Ive kinda forgot it now...

Ill post when I remember what it is

The Seed · 01-13-2006, 04:00 AM

I have enjoyed some of the amature adventures based on the authors own ideas (i.e. 5 Days A Stranger, the Apprentice series, Out of Order), but I'm not so much a fan of amature games based on existing adventure game franchises, I think they can come off kind of...tacky.

Karmillo · 01-13-2006, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Seed

I have enjoyed some of the amature adventures based on the authors own ideas (i.e. 5 Days A Stranger, the Apprentice series, Out of Order), but I'm not so much a fan of amature games based on existing adventure game franchises, I think they can come off kind of...tacky.

Most of the time they can be, but when they dont take themselves seriously like MI:2 Lechucks revenge they can be great

Dasilva · 01-13-2006, 07:42 AM

Fan games are the sould of the community.

So does this mean that Fan art is shit? Is fan fiction shit?

Same thing applies to fangames. Art & fiction can be bad, and it can be amazing too, same with fan games.

People dont seem to realize the farmiliarity and throw the name 'fan' around too much.

Hammerite · 01-13-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmillo

Most of the time they can be, but when they dont take themselves seriously like MI:2 Lechucks revenge they can be great

What are you on about?
MI2 wasnt a fangame!!

Karmillo · 01-13-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammerite

What are you on about?
MI2 wasnt a fangame!!

Noooooo not MI2, MI:2

*Dale Baldwin* · 01-13-2006, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmillo

Noooooo not MI2, MI:2

Noooooo not MI:2, M:I-2.

Dale

Karmillo · 01-13-2006, 09:21 AM

Ugh, silly me...wait M:I doesnt make sense!

bigjko · 01-13-2006, 10:30 AM

Wait, are we talking about Mission Impossible now?

*Dale Baldwin* · 01-13-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjko

Wait, are we talking about Mission Impossible now?

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Originally Posted by Karmillo's link

The follow-up to "The Devil's Triangle" gives the original "Monkey Island 2" a complete make-over pitting Guybrush against hundreds of bad movie cliches, infinite parodies, and gut-wrenching action based on John Woo's "Mission: Impossible 2" and an assortment of other action films. Features fully animated "neonimation" cut-scenes, 9 alternate endings, optional factoid commentary, and special guest appearances by Raspberrybeard the Pirate.

So.. yes.

Squinky · 01-13-2006, 10:48 AM

I cannot make a qualified statement on what is "good" and what is "bad". I can only have an opinion as to whether or not amateur adventure games are pleasing to myself and myself alone. That being said, I consider the majority of ALL games to be "bad", and it doesn't matter if they're made by a huge team in a studio or by one person in a basement. However, I do like quite a handful of games of both categories as well.

If we are using the true definition of "fangame", which is a game based on an already-existing franchise rather than one with an original premise and characters, then I can honestly say that I've never played one that I liked. I've never read any fan fiction that I've liked, either.

Fan art, however, is a different story.

Maquisard · 01-13-2006, 10:59 AM

I take issue with the name "fangames" as defined by AudioSoldier. It implies games based on extant commercial franchises. Most of those are bad, but even so, they're good for the genre, as I theorized in another thread, because sometimes they can gather a great group of talent, the kind an original project rarely could.

Original amateur titles also have a lot to offer. Nuff said.

*stuboy* · 01-13-2006, 11:13 AM

Please, please don't make me say this again; Fan Game ≠ Amateur Game.

Maquisard · 01-13-2006, 11:17 AM

[De Niro] Are you talkin' to me? [/De Niro]

'Cause, you know, that's exactly what I said.

Dasilva · 01-13-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stuboy

Please, please don't make me say this again; Fan Game ≠ Amateur Game.

So there arent original Amateur Games?

Maquisard · 01-13-2006, 11:20 AM

That symbol is does not equal.

ART_Adventures · 01-13-2006, 01:19 PM

Fan Games, Amateur Games, whatever...

Evil. All Evil. Destroy them at once. Destroy them now. This instant. Yes, Including mine.

No. No. Pull the plug. Switch me off.

Dasilva · 01-13-2006, 01:30 PM

JohnGreenArt · 01-13-2006, 02:11 PM

I'd just like to point out that the term "fan game" can be interpretted to mean "game made by a fan of the genre", ie, it can just mean adventure games in general. It doesn't have to mean a specific series or character. Many people have made original adventure games because they are fans of many other adventure games.

View Poll Results: Amateur adventure games are bad.
Yes, definitely.	2	3.57%
No, there can also be good fangames.	51	91.07%
-Other-	3	5.36%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

01-13-2006, 03:36 AM	#1
Wormsie Doctor Watson Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Catacombs Posts: 4,736	A poll: Are fangames bad, by definition? We all know from which thread this poll spawns... So, do you think it is absolutely impossible for a game to be good if it is released as freeware and made by dedicated enthusiasts? EDIT: I apologise for the use of the term "fangame" as a term meaning all amateur adventure games. Shouldn't have been so hasty. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Don't worry, I'm a doctor.

01-13-2006, 03:44 AM	#2
Karmillo woof Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NOT REALLY RIGHT HERE Posts: 4,750	I voted other...well when i voted i had a reason but Ive kinda forgot it now... Ill post when I remember what it is Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "I've got nothing to lose! Except for...well everything."

01-13-2006, 04:00 AM	#3
The Seed Irritant F0rum Beasty Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Just lurking... Posts: 990	I have enjoyed some of the amature adventures based on the authors own ideas (i.e. 5 Days A Stranger, the Apprentice series, Out of Order), but I'm not so much a fan of amature games based on existing adventure game franchises, I think they can come off kind of...tacky. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Disclaimer The Seed accepts no responsibility for any damage that my have been caused to your Hard Drive as a result of viewing this post! Last edited by The Seed; 01-13-2006 at 04:08 AM.

01-13-2006, 07:42 AM	#5
Dasilva Hitch-Hiker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Mediterranean Sea Posts: 4,364	Fan games are the sould of the community. So does this mean that Fan art is shit? Is fan fiction shit? Same thing applies to fangames. Art & fiction can be bad, and it can be amazing too, same with fan games. People dont seem to realize the farmiliarity and throw the name 'fan' around too much. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Regards, DaSilva "If you don't get out of the box you've been raised in, you won't understand how much bigger the world is." - Angelina Jolie _ <Susan falls through the floor and gets stuck> <Paco looks at her blankly> "Whats wrong with you?! Lassy would of had a firetruck here by now!" - Susan Mayer, Desperate Housewives

01-13-2006, 09:21 AM	#9
Karmillo woof Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NOT REALLY RIGHT HERE Posts: 4,750	Ugh, silly me...wait M:I doesnt make sense! Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "I've got nothing to lose! Except for...well everything."

01-13-2006, 10:30 AM	#10
bigjko El Luchador Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,629	Wait, are we talking about Mission Impossible now? Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Use Verb On Noun - Adventure game inspired illustrations

01-13-2006, 10:48 AM	#12
Squinky Unreliable Narrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Le Canada Posts: 9,873	I cannot make a qualified statement on what is "good" and what is "bad". I can only have an opinion as to whether or not amateur adventure games are pleasing to myself and myself alone. That being said, I consider the majority of ALL games to be "bad", and it doesn't matter if they're made by a huge team in a studio or by one person in a basement. However, I do like quite a handful of games of both categories as well. If we are using the true definition of "fangame", which is a game based on an already-existing franchise rather than one with an original premise and characters, then I can honestly say that I've never played one that I liked. I've never read any fan fiction that I've liked, either. Fan art, however, is a different story. Share Share this post on Twitter

01-13-2006, 10:59 AM	#13
Maquisard Citizen of Bizarro World Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Htrae Posts: 4,219	I take issue with the name "fangames" as defined by AudioSoldier. It implies games based on extant commercial franchises. Most of those are bad, but even so, they're good for the genre, as I theorized in another thread, because sometimes they can gather a great group of talent, the kind an original project rarely could. Original amateur titles also have a lot to offer. Nuff said. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ By no rocket’s blue shade am no shells dead down there, Gave no proof all day long that the flag was unwhere! No say does am spar-strangled shroud hang limply! Under land of no free! Am us home coward-leeee! ~Excerpt from the Bizarro Anthem

01-13-2006, 11:13 AM	#14
stuboy Staff Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 531	Please, please don't make me say this again; Fan Game ≠ Amateur Game. Share Share this post on Twitter

01-13-2006, 11:17 AM	#15
Maquisard Citizen of Bizarro World Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Htrae Posts: 4,219	[De Niro] Are you talkin' to me? [/De Niro] 'Cause, you know, that's exactly what I said. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ By no rocket’s blue shade am no shells dead down there, Gave no proof all day long that the flag was unwhere! No say does am spar-strangled shroud hang limply! Under land of no free! Am us home coward-leeee! ~Excerpt from the Bizarro Anthem

01-13-2006, 11:20 AM	#17
Maquisard Citizen of Bizarro World Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Htrae Posts: 4,219	That symbol is does not equal. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ By no rocket’s blue shade am no shells dead down there, Gave no proof all day long that the flag was unwhere! No say does am spar-strangled shroud hang limply! Under land of no free! Am us home coward-leeee! ~Excerpt from the Bizarro Anthem

01-13-2006, 01:19 PM	#18
ART_Adventures ART_Adventures Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 36	Fan Games, Amateur Games, whatever... Evil. All Evil. Destroy them at once. Destroy them now. This instant. Yes, Including mine. No. No. Pull the plug. Switch me off. Share Share this post on Twitter

01-13-2006, 01:30 PM	#19
Dasilva Hitch-Hiker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Mediterranean Sea Posts: 4,364	Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Regards, DaSilva "If you don't get out of the box you've been raised in, you won't understand how much bigger the world is." - Angelina Jolie _ <Susan falls through the floor and gets stuck> <Paco looks at her blankly> "Whats wrong with you?! Lassy would of had a firetruck here by now!" - Susan Mayer, Desperate Housewives

01-13-2006, 02:11 PM	#20
JohnGreenArt Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 273	I'd just like to point out that the term "fan game" can be interpretted to mean "game made by a fan of the genre", ie, it can just mean adventure games in general. It doesn't have to mean a specific series or character. Many people have made original adventure games because they are fans of many other adventure games. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "Games are fun. Making games is funner!"

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