[remixor]

feisar: I just have to ask, though. Where are you ACTUALLY getting these assumptions? Every single person who thinks this game is going to have anything to do with platformers seems to just think "because it seems like it", ignoring what has actually been said by the press and people who have PLAYED the game, not just seen videos. I honestly will never understand why these debates even exist.

[Curt]

Originally Posted by feisar

(........Which is more than can be said for poor old Phase Paradox which never made it out of japan because no-one in Europe or the US wanted a console adventure game)

That's because playing an adventure game on a kiddies games console is like eating a Bouillabaisse in a Fish and Chip shop.

[Crunchy in milk]

Originally Posted by Curt

That's because playing an adventure game on a kiddies games console is like eating a Bouillabaisse in a Fish and Chip shop.

You mean you always get your order, its always what you ordered and it tastes just like it was meant by the chef?

It arrives complete and ready to eat, you don't need to add anything or get your own hands dirty making it work? It doesn't require another half hour plus of home preparation before you can even take a bite?

Your bowl wont up and tip the meal on the ground for some unfathomable reason?

[Garyos]

Originally Posted by Crunchy in milk

Your bowl wont up and tip the meal on the ground for some unfathomable reason?

I think I understood your analogy until this bit....

[Curt]

Strange, I understood it all.

LOL

[Jake]

Originally Posted by remixor

Every single person who thinks this game is going to have anything to do with platformers seems to just think "because it seems like it", ignoring what has actually been said by the press and people who have PLAYED the game, not just seen videos.

Yeah did Marek going through the demo with a fine toothed comb at E3 and then writing a lengthy preview about it not matter? He's clearly not out to manipulate people into accidentally buying an action game.

I think everyone is entitled to have their doubts as to whether or not BS3 will be a good game or not, but I'm tired of these doubts manifesting themselves in phrases like "but from whats been shown BS3 is very close in terms of gameplay and action to prisoner of war and harry potter," which is a false statement. I saw BS3 at E3 too, and it's an adventure game.

[twifkak]

Originally Posted by feisar

it would be easier to push the game as an adventure because of the millions of people that bought the last two, all the revolution fans and that other than BS3 there arent really any high profile western developed adventure games to rival BS3.

That's a good point. Certainly, the people are actually listening to Cecil are the AG fans, while the non-AG fans are just going to read GameSpot or the box cover or whatever.

I am a bit worried that the box pushing thing will get repetitive, but I don't think in the least that this game is going to require primal reflexes or some such.

Sorry if I'm not typing straight.. It was Diversity Day (read: eat a lot of foreign food day) at work, and I'm eating a samosa (sp?), which is quite spicy. Mmm....

np Cake - It's Coming Down

[Curt]

Originally Posted by twifkak

.. It was Diversity Day (read: eat a lot of foreign food day) ...

I do that every day

But I digress....................

[twifkak]

Originally Posted by Curt

I do that every day

But I digress....................

Yeah, 'cept this was approx 3 big tables full of crockpots, cakes and candies for maybe 40 people. *insert smiley with gut hanging out, or at least a *

[davez82]

Originally Posted by remixor

I honestly will never understand why these debates even exist.

Look at the first entry in this thread rem, sometimes i think you guys WANT to debate about this.. yah its interesting but i think this subject has taken its toll already.

Cant we all just wait the month and shutup about bs3 till then.

[twifkak]

As the author of the first entry in this thread, I have to wonder why you think it was intended to start an argument. I wrote it to inform. I included humor at the expense of Mr. Q, but Mr. A gave informative answers to all of Mr. Q's questions. No offense, but I would hate for people to read your comments and take them as fact.

[remixor]

Originally Posted by davez82

Cant we all just wait the month and shutup about bs3 till then.

I would love to, by all means. Let's not forget who prompted many of these responses, though... As twif says, the last thing we want is for people to read unsubstantiated conjecture and assume it's somehow informed.

[Erwin_Br]

Originally Posted by davez82

Look at the first entry in this thread rem, sometimes i think you guys WANT to debate about this.. yah its interesting but i think this subject has taken its toll already.

Cant we all just wait the month and shutup about bs3 till then.

Well, I've seen worse discussions about BS3.

Some people even already say it's the tombstone on Revolutions grave.

--Erwin

[feisar]

I'm not saying the game will be bad, although for all I know it might be?? But I'm really looking forward to its release. But I dont know if it is a proper adventure title. Harry Potter has no real action scenes, the jumping/action/whatever is the same as BS3's as in it has the buttons in the top corner of the screen, tells you what each one does, this changes for the situation.. the ways that BS3's handling and all the explanation of the jumping/action is identical to that in Harry Potter or Prisoner Of War.. Although Harry Potter has sub games like the flying through rings thing..

Prisoner Of War doesnt even have the action situations, there is no combat at all. Its just puzzles, plot, planning and working out where you need to be when. Yet POW is not classified as an adventure but BS3 is assumed to be one purely because of the previous games...

This is a disscussion board. I dont know why people are being hostile purely because I expressed an opinion.

[DomStLeger]

Originally Posted by theneb

"People play adventure games as familys, the majority of players are women. In this action event people playing as family's will be shouting out hit her with the fridge, It's very interactive"

lol I love that quote Theneb! Did he say that at that SightSonic event?

And feis; I think the big difference here is that as well as these elements you mention (which have been seen before in other ags to varying extents anyway) is that you still have the inventory puzzles; conversation puzzles; exploration puzzles that make it an adventure. While they've added new bits here and there; it still has those key elements of adventure games at its heart.

I agree that he did hype ICB. But it was still quite a good game; and I think it would have made a great Adventure game. Even with all the action elements in tact, if they'd expanded the adventure side it'd would have been a very interesting and unique adventure/action game (the action side as it was would be light enough to be enjoyable to adventure fans while still making you plan and think). I actually do think it had the potential to be better than MGS. I've played MGS2 and my god! It's terrible, the actual game play side is very good but the exposition is rubbish and the cut scenes drag on and on and on; plus the dialogue is dire imo.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Originally Posted by feisar

Prisoner Of War doesnt even have the action situations, there is no combat at all. Its just puzzles, plot, planning and working out where you need to be when. Yet POW is not classified as an adventure but BS3 is assumed to be one purely because of the previous games...

Then why wasn't POW categorized as a strategy or even tactical game if it involves "...planning and working out where you need to be when"?

I think what we all need to do is to stop being such goddamn tightasses about our definition of what an adventure game is. I am not saying, however, that we can include liberal doses of direct controlled action (i.e. player controlled). What I'm saying is that, based on this and other related discussions, our collective definition of adventure game seems severely constricting, to the point where we end up bickering over such matters as whether the player is directly involved in the action or only cerebrally. We need to lighten up, people. From what feisar stated, it sounds like Prisoner of War really is an adventure game. But my speculation is that hardcore adventure gamers dismissed it as an action game perhaps because it was 3D and involved things like stealth and strategy. Well, The Watchmaker was in 3D and involved some level of strategizing (switching b/t characters to get more info), and that game is unmistakenly an adventure. Hell, there are even some bits of action and violence in it!

I'll find a demo of Prisoner of War to play and give my own account. It looks to be an adventure game built around suspense, with healthy doses of strategy.

EDIT: Hmm, apparently there is no PC demo for PoW. Damn, big mistake on the publisher's part. Anyway, I read a bit more about the game. feisar, I think PoW has actually more in common with the Hitman series and Splinter Cell. It has action, even though, from what you stated, the player is not directly involved in controlling it, merely clicking the key and the character performs the stunt. Still, I wouldn't classify PoW as a 'pure' adventure. But I probably would loosely call it an adventure, but specify that it requires strategy of the player.

[RemiO]

Originally Posted by feisar

Prisoner Of War doesnt even have the action situations, there is no combat at all. Its just puzzles, plot, planning and working out where you need to be when. Yet POW is not classified as an adventure but BS3 is assumed to be one purely because of the previous games...

I guess I'll just re-quote myself:

An acquaintance of me works at Sony as a beta tester, and he has played through the game at least twice. This is what he had to say about the Tomb Raider vs Adventure question:

Seems like you're doing the assuming.

[feisar]

eh? what exactly does tomb raider have to do with this? *confused*

Prisoner Of War is more a puzzle game than an adventure or strategy.. or its not really in a genre at all.. Ive got the PS2 version its not really like Splinter Cell/Hitman, there is no button bashing, no reaction dependent stuff, but there is jumping. Its actually a bit of a really good idea and really well done.. but pretty much ruined by its publishers codemasters, it came from their lowest/darkest hour when they decided to let people poke their fingers in and mess up almost complete games.. POW sufferes from pointless over-americanism, poor presentation and a lack of direction - the developers wanted to go one way and the publishers another entirely.. the game is like the result of a needless powerstruggle. An enjoyable powerstuggle neverless. Hopefully the developers will get another chance..

Anyway, about BS3 being adventure or not. It makes no difference at all.. Except this is an adventure game site. Which like other sites is ignoring full 3D pure adventure games in favour of hybrid's and action titles. Giving the false impression that the only way for the genre to go is a more action route. Im not saying AG shouldnt cover titles like Sam & Max 2 or BS3 but if they do then shouldn't they really cover pure adventures like Glass Rose too? and perhaps shouldnt they have covered shadow of memories when it came out (or at least put links in their news section)?

[twifkak]

Originally Posted by feisar

eh? what exactly does tomb raider have to do with this? *confused*

Originally Posted by feisar

BS3 is assumed to be one purely because of the previous games

Originally Posted by RemiO

An acquaintance of me works at Sony as a beta tester, and he has played through the game at least twice.

That's what.

[Kingzjester]

I never was particularly awed by Revolution's titles. The only adventure of theirs that I have never played is the first BS game.

And now they're making this platformer thing and passing it as an adventure...