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UPtimist 04-03-2012 01:43 AM

I hope it doesn't come down to kickstarter. I'll have to donate, of course, but it's awkward if it'll depend on that then. I'd rather see a quality adventure with a solid premeditated (:P) funding. Kickstarter does have major benefits, naturally, and it might be a good choice (and I'm sure she'll deliver regardless) but... I don't know, I just have a feeling that I base on absolutely nothing ;)

You know, I should hope that, whatever this all is, if it's a new JJ game it has a decent budget and I dunno how far you can go in Kickstarter. I mean, I have no idea what a normal budget would be, and I trust JJ's name is well-known enough that she'd gather a nice amount of money, but nevertheless, I'd rather a solid budget even with the risks that a publisher brings.

But as long as we'll get a new full-length Jane Jensen game, I'm happy.

zane 04-03-2012 03:32 AM

i love jane, but if this turns out to be a kickstarter for "bring GK1-3 and gray matter to iphones" I will turn on her so fast. :P
Its not a good idea. I wish developers would stop using this for ports and things they were going to do anyway.

Pumba!Ramba 04-03-2012 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by UPtimist (Post 605965)
You know, I should hope that, whatever this all is, if it's a new JJ game it has a decent budget and I dunno how far you can go in Kickstarter. I mean, I have no idea what a normal budget would be, and I trust JJ's name is well-known enough that she'd gather a nice amount of money, but nevertheless, I'd rather a solid budget even with the risks that a publisher brings.

Well look at what a travesty the production of Gray Matter was. Her name didn't mean squat. I'd rather see a smaller budgeted game honestly.

UPtimist 04-03-2012 06:57 AM

To me Jane Jensen says quality, not just in budget but also production. A comical game from Tim Schafer can easily have simple 2D graphics because in a comical project it works, but if a JJ game is supposed to feel serious, mature, and while it's certainly possible with hand-drawn 2D graphics, it's going to take a lot more to work well than if it's not-so-serious.

Like I said, I don't know regular budget values and I don't know how much they could raise via Kickstarter. So... *shrug*

millenia 04-03-2012 08:01 AM

Less than 15 hours!

Yes, I'm kinda excited.

Kurufinwe 04-03-2012 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by millenia (Post 605997)
Less than 15 hours!

I was surprised by your post, since the counter says 1 day and 40 minutes here. And then I looked at the source of the page, and it turns out that the stupid counter counts down to April 4th, 10 AM based on your computer's local date and time instead of the server's. :frusty:

There's gonna be a few disappointed people in Europe when the thing reaches 0 for them and nothing happens... I'm guessing the correct time is 10 AM in Pennsylvania, since that's where the company's supposed to be located. Which means there's still about 21 hours and 30 minutes to go.

millenia 04-03-2012 08:42 AM

Aaawww... well thanks for this, less disappointed this way :).

JuntMonkey 04-03-2012 12:36 PM

No idea who this person is or where they got their information, but a commenter named Pascal on the LSL Kickstarter said this just now:


First Tim, now Al and Jane Jensen starts in a few days with a $300.000 goal for a new adventure (one to choose out of three, GM2 is on the list besides two new titles)...

Great for the genre!
(..but I hope it´s not too much in a short time.)

Fien 04-03-2012 12:50 PM

He got it from :P

It's up to the fans. Three games to choose from: Gray Matter 2, Anglophile Adventure, and Moebius.

EDIT: Weird. I now get just the countdown thingie at But at you can see everything.

subbi 04-03-2012 01:14 PM

How terribly new Gebriel Knight!
That would have really been a great success at Kickstarter.

It's kind of underwhelming to have to settle for gray matter 2 or even something else.....just the dissapointment itself could prove to be fatal for any crowdfunding campaign.

People asked for a new Gabriel Knight. Gray Matter barely sold doesn't generate enough interest.

zane 04-03-2012 01:19 PM

^she doesnt own the rights to GK plain and simple. If there are fans of jane like i think they are, she'l have no problem getting 300k to make gray matter 2 (or even another).
Pinkertonroad is still a timer for me, is it really dishing out info based on a computers clock? What are the other details, what format will the voting use?

subbi 04-03-2012 01:26 PM



How much could these rights cost? The current owner (whoever that may be) surely doesn't do anything with them.

UPtimist 04-03-2012 01:27 PM

The current owner, if they even know they own the rights (they were in Sierra, and that (and the companies that bought it) have been sold over and over again so that the rights are buried deeeeep), is a massive gaming corporation (I don't know which one, Activision or something). They don't care that they don't do anything with the rights. It's also going to take a pretty big offer that the sum they recieve makes a difference for them (and so that they'd care). In the meanwhile, they have a right that theoretically could make money, but at least it's not making money for someone else (which would only be acceptable if they also got a big share from that). I mean, there have been inquiries about movies a few times, but they've never done anything (Jane has said that she has passed such requests along).

And there's even the smaller theoretical chance that one day they might do something about it in the future, so they don't want to give up the theoretical chance of making money off it. But I really wouldn't be surprised if the powers-that-be about GK rights had no idea they had such rights or that they've never heard of such a thing as GK.

So, yeah, I don't find it underwhelming to settle for GM when there honestly never was a chance for GK4 in the first place... Unfortunately, but that's business for you.

300k sounds like very little, I have to say... I wonder how big a budget Gray Matter had. It'd be odd if suddenly the second part like all 2D or something...

The first game does sound interesting, but it's hard to go by with such little information. I hope they end up doing all of them.

zane 04-03-2012 01:34 PM

i got to see just in time. Its now down. But its true, theyr only asking for 300,000 (and they plan to make all 3 games the vote will be for which ones first)
I am so so happy this is about new games and not porting old ones.

Kurufinwe 04-03-2012 01:39 PM

... And the site's hidden pages are gone again. Oh well, I had time to look at most of it anyway. But I guess we can wait until the big opening tomorrow to start discussing things.

Also, I see fov is the propaganda priestess PR consultant on this, so we know who to try to pry information from. :P

Henke 04-03-2012 01:40 PM

This is incredibly good news. Although it would be really fun to see new stories about Gabriel and Grace, the fact that Jensen is going to keep making games is more then great.

Fien 04-03-2012 01:44 PM

The idea of letting gamers decide what the next game is going to be, is bound to appeal to many people, but I'm afraid I really don't want a CSG subscription model. I'm not going to support Jane's Kickstarter project, she will raise her 300,000, no problem. And if wizarbox is involved in the development in any way, I won't buy the game.

zane 04-03-2012 01:48 PM

Hmmm, im not familiar with this CSG stuff, it does sound odd. Are there other game companies that already use this method?
EDIT: upon reading the press release carefully... i guess it just means you get whatever games they make in the year subscription?

subbi 04-03-2012 01:52 PM

I'm getting less enthusiastic by the minute.
First no Gabriel Knight, despite the nasty teaser behind the link. Why use a Gabriel Knight video if there is no intention of actually making the game. It's not as if we haven't been dissapointed before?!? This most likely is just to create a shock effect and toying with our feelings :-)

Secondly, 300k...not a very ambitious goal....if you think that Gray Matters animation was unimpresssive, wait until we get to see this...
At least Tim Schafer did not know what he could expect with such a camaign, but now in hindsight they could at east raise the bar a bit....

And lastly, indeed, let stay clear of Wizarbox!

zane 04-03-2012 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by subbi (Post 606052)

And lastly, indeed, let stay clear of Wizarbox!

they make it clear on the press release that pinkerton road is an independent studio that will have no publisher. And they are modelling themselves after independent farms.
Also, you cant blame them for having a modest goal, that is ridiculous.

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