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Banter, you're either exceedingly young or exceedinly inexperienced, but either way, and I do not mean this as an insult, you're very, sadly ignorant.
I'm not offended by what you're saying. It's just completely wrong, and an odd bit of contrarianishm brought on by something that seems deeply personal to you. Maybe you're just a troll. I'll just say that spending some time in the company of women would probably help you recognize how off-base you are. You seem horribly threatened by women (and as an aside, to some degree, I think all men are, it's how we deal with that that defines us as men) and aren't able to recognize it. I think the original post is silly, too - but a product of a different culture. I always liked that adventure games seemed to be more hospitable to female protagonists because many of them weren't catering to that adolescent, power fantasty that most mass market games aspired to provide to the player. I'd much rather be Kate Walker than Hawke. Or whatever.
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Yikes. I hope Banter was trolling, cause he comes off as being completely insane.
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It remains difficult to have serious debate with a point of view coming from obviously such a limited set of perspectives. Those posts were from a fearful person. I regret the condescension. As to the culture thing. Agreed.
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Oh, I see. Never met a girl eh? Am insane? Ignorant? A troll? Must have twisted your nerve endings there! Nobody throws around ad hominems for nothing . It wasn't my intent to pull nobody's pants and I never personally attacked anyone, I promise, but let's clear things off a bit and put out the fire before this gets out of hand:
- My points of view are far from "uncommon", "insane", "out of touch" and whatever. Nope, not at all. You are the ones out of touch if you really think that. Really, try going out once in every while. find out what guys really think about go-go girls. Everybody enjoys them, nobody really respects them . Ask any father or mother while you are it, see if they enjoy the idea of their daughter becoming that. I am really not the one with unconventional and unrealistic thinking here. It is the opposite. - I don't feel threatened by feminists at all. I consider it a crazy cult like ideology that will die off in madness. Do these people look sane to you?(warning, contains topless women running around in the snow and fighting russian cops in an attempt to lower gas prices). http://cryptome.org/info/femen/femen-protest.htm Why would I fight that? Insanity sorts itself out if you don't encourage it. Ganging up with 4 or 5 like minded people doesn't make you right and doesn't win you an argument(hah, this is a common misconception made by girls ). If you really care that much about my opinion, point out to me whatever I said that was so insane or offensive. Do that without putting words into my mouth or accusing me of being an insane mysoginist while you are it. I am not. Far from it! Last post in this thread. *Promise*. You can send me PM's if you are still foaming at the mouth. No need to complain to forum administrators or keep this silly one way discussion escalating, I am cutting this short like any decent guy would. I'm sure you girls can find better ways to "fight the man", since I am not really a proeminent member of the evil patriarchy. Well, at least not yet |
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Trolling or no, this has been one of the more inane rants I've seen around here in a long time. But now that Banter's had his fun, that's the end of it.
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Edit: Missed Jackal's post.
So. Any thoughts on gender-neutral protagonists? (See: Myst, etc) On the one hand, anyone can play as them, but on the other, they're kind of generic.
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Eh yeah, gender neutral main characters only work in games that are dialogue-lite and dont require the main protagonist to have a personality. And those dont tend to be games i gravitate towards.
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I think it's sometimes possible in text-based adventure games to give a gender-neutral hero/heroine some personality, but if you look at the Infocom games, the lead with the most interesting characterization was Miss Dimsford from Plundered Hearts. So even there, it's hard.
What about games where the player gets to pick the gender of the player-character? There aren't many adventure games like that - I know the first Alone in the Dark did it - but it's a cool alternative. On the other hand, spending all that time making animations for a second protagonist is quite an investment.
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Don't do complicated something which is actually simple.
1) Female-women Spites in adventure games is a common thing in the 2000 era of Adventure games. Syberia 1-2,Paradise, Half Life series, Art of Murder series, Keepsake,Chronicles of Mystery series, Nancy Drew Series, Carol Reed series, the majority of the casual adventures and so on....If it was possible they would have made also a female character out of Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes, or make Elaine the only Protagonist in the Monkey Island games. Where there is a male protagonist there is also 90% a female protagonist in the game too. 2) There are two possible explenations on this phainomenon: a) They want to attract women/girls on playing Adventure games,which makes sense. b) They want to make the games more....attractive, because the male gamers are more than the female ones, which doesn't make any sense. If a man wants something like that, he will go to a party, he will meet friends, he will go to a club, in other words he will do it in real life. How can possible a man,a gamer be attracted to a programmed, designed, unrealistic, digital game sprite?No way. The only ecxeption are those... japanese guys who got married to female game sprites.... If there is a company which may have something do with feminism this is HER Interactive. They have the name and the game subject. Wizarbox can't be "blamed" for that just after two games, which are actually somehow connected. |
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Thanks! I think people overestimate the number of female protagonists because they stand out more for being female. You could have asked me to guess, and I sure would have expected more than that!
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If you haven't noticed @WitchOfDoubt, I am not refering to ancient adventure games like the Infocom Text Adventures, where actually doesn't matter if there is a male or female protagonist because you don't see anything, but plain text. Back then the female gamers were practically non existent. So it is somehow funny after all these years of gaming history that the female gamers "wake up" suddenly and say "hey where are the female sprites". I am refering to the 2000-2012 period where the numbers have changed and the female gamers are more than ever. And this is a fact. "Leaning towards male" doesn't count. There is only both or one of them. This "leaning" is probably because of the game scenario and nothing more.
But if you want to talk about older games here you are. 1) Wonderland (Magnetic Scrolls) 2) Laura Bow 1-2 3) King's Quest IV 4) Legend of Kyrandia 2 5) Fascination 6) Lost in Time 7) Alice: An interactive Museum 8) Elvira 1-2 9) D 10) Phantasmagoria 11) Larry 3 (Both male-female) Oh, and I forgot to mention the return to mysterius island 1-2 games, in the 2000+ games list. Alone the Nancy Drew games+Carol Reed games are more than the half of your mentioned 50 Adventure games. So i think that your numbers do not speak the truth. If the casual adventures are counted too then the scene changes completely and the games with female protagonists are more than the ones with male protagonists. And there are also the games with couples like Monkey Island, Broken Sword, Secret Files,Memento Mori, Alternativa and more. Female gamers should be satisfied. Last edited by tsampikos; 04-10-2012 at 11:37 PM. |
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HER Interactive's first 3 or 4 Nancy Drew games were specifically 'For Adventurous Girls 10 and up' as can be seen on the original box art. They were produced at a time when there seemed to be a lot less female gamers so I guess that HER saw the potential in targeting the largely untapped female market.
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I agree with you. So if they are especially targeting on the female marketshare then they are more to "blame" for feminism than Wizarbox.
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This is like saying, "Well, only 3% of the top CEOs are female, but I can name several female businesspeople at these few companies! So your numbers are lying!" Should we look at the A-Z Adventure Game list and pick 50 random games made after 2000, then see what percentage of them have male leads and what percentage have female leads? (edited down to save some length and stick to the point.)
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