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Gabe 12-10-2010 02:21 AM

Ag of the year(pc)2010
 
Here is the list of this year decent and good (pc)ag,but which one is the best waiting for community to decide;)

pizzo 12-10-2010 02:28 AM

My vote is for Black Mirror II. The second in my list woud be Lost Horizon.

UPtimist 12-10-2010 03:12 AM

I wish I could say, but so far I've only played The Whispered World, and even with that, only the beginning...

And with Sam & Max I'm in Season 2.

And, I have to admit, there's a couple in there I've not even heard of :P

So, I suppose I shouldn't go voting...

Arial Type 12-10-2010 04:05 AM

I wonder if Gray Matter is considered as a "bad ag" by the author.

Gabe 12-10-2010 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arial Type (Post 565845)
I wonder if Gray Matter is considered as a "bad ag" by the author.

Gray Matter considered as 2011 release.

Fien 12-10-2010 04:33 AM

Drawn is not an AG. Drawn is a casual.

DustyShinigami 12-10-2010 05:44 AM

Monkey Island 2 - Special Edition and Broken Sword - Director's Cut are missing.

Dwagginz 12-10-2010 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazzoid (Post 565860)
Monkey Island 2 - Special Edition and Broken Sword - Director's Cut are missing.

Isn't AlternativA also a 2010 release?

Lucien21 12-10-2010 06:27 AM

wow that highlights exactly why this year sucked.

BTW Heavy Rain is by far and away the best AG of 2010.

Gabe 12-10-2010 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazzoid (Post 565860)
Monkey Island 2 - Special Edition and Broken Sword - Director's Cut are missing.


Well coz simply considering a redux as agoty unfair to new releases.They more likely to given on a list all times best honorary.

DustyShinigami 12-10-2010 06:49 AM

I still think they qualify, though. And Heavy Rain.

...

Monkey Island 2 - Special Edition is the best adventure game I've played this year, followed very closely by Amnesia: The Dark Decent.

Unfortunately I haven't played Heavy Rain (no PS3) so I can't comment, nor have I finished Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse.

kate me 12-10-2010 06:58 AM

I vote for Lost Horizon. I like this game!

Luther10 12-10-2010 07:07 AM

Voted for Lost Horizon, a better game overall than Gray Matter. Anyway, my favorite of the year is Heavy Rain...

cbman 12-10-2010 10:09 AM

Your poll is missing an 'Other' option!

gray pierce 12-10-2010 10:13 AM

This is a great idea!
In my opinion Lost Horizon is easily the best AG of the year. Alter Ego and Black Mirror II, both decent adventures pale in comparison. Then again I haven't played The Whispered World yet so I might change my mind(though not likely)

zane 12-10-2010 10:26 AM

games i want to vote for: heavy rain, last window, darkstar, gray matter, 999, kaptain brawe

UPtimist 12-10-2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazzoid (Post 565871)
I still think they qualify, though. And Heavy Rain.

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Monkey Island 2 - Special Edition is the best adventure game I've played this year, followed very closely by Amnesia: The Dark Decent.

I have to agree with Gabe that remakes aren't really new AGs. They're, well, remakes. It's an old adventure game with new graphics, and I don't think that updating graphics makes a game new.

Of course, this is, eh... Semantics? In any case, not that important. This is what this is.

dekaneas297 12-10-2010 11:11 AM

Lost Horizon and Black Mirror II are the best for me. Tough choice to pick one.

diego 12-10-2010 11:20 AM

The Whispered World, because:

- comeback of a glorious 2D hand-painted backdrops, in a semi-artistic style yet still zany like The Curse of Monkey Island

- not jumping on the bandwagon of babynursing the player - puzzles are done in a thoughtful manner, keeping the difficulty enough not to become "errand quest" and still not being impossible to solve. Puzzles also kept the sparkle of "golden age" "insane" logic like those seen in Day of the Tentacle and Monkey Island, and many people wrongly interpreted that as "illogical" puzzles while it was only being faithful to roots. Also, the game felt original and fresh nevertheless of many obvious LucasArts and Sierra influences.

- duo of protagonists - personally, i haven't played lately game that has "that something" when it comes to identyfining and caring for characters, something we can say when speaking of Gabriel Knight, Guybrush Threepwood, April Ryan... You may like or hate Sadwick's voice but it's by no means "from the mill" character. Also, it wasn't since Torin's Passage and Torin and Boogle, or Toonstruck and Drew and Flux that we've seen such an interesting pair of characters that solve puzzles together.


Black Mirror 2 is another good game this year, on a totally different ground of mystery and thriller, reminding me of Dark Seed or Gabriel Knight, although it can become tedious and incosistent as the story develops but i think this German team will make even better games since Black Mirror 2 improved some aspects of Mata Hari.


All in all, 2010. gave us less quantity than 2009. but it wasn't without the quality. I hope that we can somehow see German and other non-English releases sooner, since for example both The Whispered World and Black Mirror 2 were published in 2009. in Germany and also, two of mine most expected games in 2011 - Book of Unwritten Tales and Edna & Harvey were already published. Also, it will be remembered as a year where casual games and adventure games strongly intercrossed their ways making the influence on the genre, in that manner that we can ask ourselves - are adventure games becoming casual, or casual games are becoming adventures?

Arial Type 12-10-2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe (Post 565852)
Gray Matter considered as 2011 release.

But there is an official English version included in the German version. You can buy and play it. It is a 2010 release.

And yes, my vote goes to Heavy Rain. I thought it came out in 2009 - it was so long ago)

Roper Klacks 12-10-2010 11:51 AM

Although i really liked Gray Matter my vote goes to Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Its not only my adventure game of the year, but also my overal GOTY. That game is a modern masterpiece.

inm8#2 12-10-2010 12:32 PM

Sadly I haven't had a chance to play any games on the list, but the one game I would vote for is Heavy Rain. It's not an AG in the classical sense, but it's maybe the most immersive game experience I've had. Great story, great writing, and great execution.

millenia 12-10-2010 12:43 PM

My vote would go to Gray Matter but since it's not here I will wait a bit. Currently I consider Black Mirror II to be the best but I'll wait until I've played some of the others. Whispered World and SamnMax have had very nice reviews and I will probably play them at least. Simon and Ghost Pirates should get a chance too. I don't think Art of Murder or Nancy Drew would win but might even check them out if I am bored in the future. Lost Horizon and Alter Ego were decent but neither of them is really Game of the Year material.

gray pierce 12-10-2010 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millenia (Post 565918)
Lost Horizon and Alter Ego were decent but neither of them is really Game of the Year material.

I think to compare Lost Horizon with Alter Ego is a little harsh

Gabe 12-10-2010 01:27 PM

Btw is Heavy Rain really an ag,that's subject of another topic.

zane 12-10-2010 01:38 PM

well, since this site reviews it as an adventure game, i think for the purposes of this forum that question is solved ;)

millenia 12-10-2010 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gray pierce (Post 565919)
I think to compare Lost Horizon with Alter Ego is a little harsh

Nope, actually I liked Alter Ego better. Lost Horizon has incredibly boring and illogical middle chapters that really drag the game. I have no idea why so many people think it's amazing game. If the whole game was as good as the last chapter then I'd agree but I can't be won over by just one great chapter (and like 2 other goodish ones) no matter if it's the end. Alter Ego had good potential but it is just completely unfinished. If they actually let us play the ending there instead of hearing it out in 2 minute long cutscene it would have been excellent game.

Arial Type 12-10-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe (Post 565924)
Btw is Heavy Rain really an ag,that's subject of another topic.

It is an adventure game, even more than Fahrenheit was. I guess there's no doubt about it on this forum. And it's far better than most of the regular ags today.

River 12-10-2010 02:02 PM

My vote goes to Heavy Rain. From that list I would choose Lost Horizon.

zane 12-10-2010 02:18 PM

i propose we do the following: we have 4 nomination threads, 1 at a time, each thread lasting 2-3 days before we close it and start the next. In those threads each person can nominate 2 games from that category: the categories being, 1. puzzlers: logic puzzles 2. inventory/social games: standard point and click 3. interactive novels/text games 4. miscellaneous: anything that hasnt already won a nomination.
The top 2 of each category can then move on to a final vote between 8 games that we have for a week or so ending with new years.

skeeter_93 12-10-2010 10:22 PM

I haven't played most of those games, but I'd probably choose Shadow at Water's edge, the other 2010 Nancy Drew release. It was much better than Trail of the Twister IMHO.

K.Steeze 12-10-2010 11:42 PM

Just put Lost Horizon over the top.

Gabe 12-11-2010 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arial Type (Post 565931)
And it's far better than most of the regular ags today.

Technically thats obvious but it's still action based adventure anyway.

Lucien21 12-11-2010 03:10 AM

Still heads and shoulders above the rest of a massively disappointing year for adventures.

Not one of the games listed above would have been in contention in previous years.

terhardp 12-13-2010 11:27 PM

Since "Grey Matter" is considered as 2011 release, and "Monkey Island: Le Chuck's Revenge" isn't listed, I can easily say that "Lost Horizon" is my favourite among 2010 adventures.

Igor 12-13-2010 11:49 PM

My vote goes to The Whispered World. The only ag in last few years (along with Machinarioum) that I would consider a true classic. Characters, story (especially after you know the ending), atmosphere, puzzles, graphics.. it's just great.

The second best was in my opinion Black Mirror2.

The Lost Horizon was good too. Very polished and entertaining.. but not much else beyond that.

pizzo 12-14-2010 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucien21 (Post 565866)
wow that highlights exactly why this year sucked.

BTW Heavy Rain is by far and away the best AG of 2010.

I agree! I would vote if it were on the list.

I've bought a PS3 because of Heavy Rain.

diego 12-14-2010 08:00 AM

Heavy Rain is great and gripping game, but as said many times before - it's more of an interactive movie and an offpring to adventure game with emphasis on the story. Since interactive movies existed since early 90's it's nothing groundbreaking even it's a fantastic game.

So, while Gabriel Knight 2 for example is also a sort of interactive movie the reason why we call it adventure game and not interactive movie is because of many puzzles integrated into the story. I'm not saying Heavy Rain is without puzzles or that is not adventure game especially since AG and interactive-movies were always related and hard to separate, but i wouldn't give it an edge over other titles this year with more interesting puzzles, like The Whispered World or Black Mirror 2.

Fien 12-14-2010 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diego (Post 566311)
Heavy Rain is great and gripping game, but as said many times before - it's more of an interactive movie and an offpring to adventure game with emphasis on the story. Since interactive movies existed since early 90's it's nothing groundbreaking even it's a fantastic game.

So, while Gabriel Knight 2 for example is also a sort of interactive movie the reason why we call it adventure game and not interactive movie is because of many puzzles integrated into the story.

That's stretching the definition of an interactive movie. GK2 is a series of stills with an avatar walking across the screen. An interactive movie MOVES, if you know what I mean. Non-stop. The Psychic Detective is an interactive movie, so is Tender Loving Care. Bad Day on the Midway and Fahrenheit too I suppose (because the game goes on if you don't do anything), and I might even consider calling The Last Express one. But by your definition every single adventure is an interactive movie with lots of stops so the player can solve puzzles.

diego 12-14-2010 10:28 AM

Yeap, you're right and i don't intend to argue with you because i'm scared of what you're capable of :D :P

But really, genre definition is "heavy". You know, i remember when Phantasmagoria was advertised as a whole new "interactive-movie" experience. In reality, even it was light on difficulty and with many in-game movies it was still more of a traditional adventure game experience than typical interactive movies like those you mentioned or even Quantic Dream works.

The reason why GK2 might be called "interactive-movie" to some extent is probably because of the fact that live-action FMV during the 90's was automatically recognized as "interactive-movie" experience. For example, Wing Commander 4

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2310/221553.th.jpg

was also called interactive-movie while it's still more of a simulation/shooting game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fien (Post 566313)
But by your definition every single adventure is an interactive movie with lots of stops so the player can solve puzzles

well, the thing is - maybe every adventure game has some elements of full-fledged interactive movie (and vice versa) but not enough and not in that way that we can actually call it an interactive movie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fien (Post 566313)
An interactive movie MOVES

i agree that "real-time" is a dead giveaway to distinguish interactive movie, but you can also have traditional gameplay without time restraints but with emphasis on choices, story branching... that will be more of an interactive movie than adventure game. Same as i would call The Last Express adventure game with extra-ordinary cinematic experience rather than interactive movie.


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