12-17-2010, 03:47 PM | #201 |
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Okay, managed to get one ending
Spoiler: but it seems I have skipped a lot. Never got the Roach and Roach on Locket texts Fien posted. Didn't see Suki or the eyes. Hmmmm. Where did I go wrong?
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Seems you didn't
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12-17-2010, 04:51 PM | #203 |
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Did fly with the butterfly, but went straight to the shower from there. Now when I load a save game from just after I switched on the fax, the butterfly isn't there on the pencil. Hmmmm.
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Yeah I got it. Had a hard time finding a new way down from the table, what with the cable no longer there, but I did it and I saw four endings.
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I overreacted to Zobraks. I still feel I didn't do anything to deserve his jokes at my expense, but it was wrong of me to delete my posts. Here are the four endings again. I enjoyed most of the playthrough. Goodbye.
Best ending: E: What the hell is going on there, Samms? R: Didn’t you smell the gas? E: What the hell was that! Hey, hey, where did you get this? R: That was my mother’s. E: My God. I gave that to her. Your mother’s? My Angelina? R: What are you talking about? E: Look! R: You... you are my father...? E: Yeah, I must be. R: I don’t freakin’ believe it. E: I don’t believe it either. But how else do we explain this. R: I don’t know. Let’s get out of here. Eddie told me about my mom and about the night she died. He felt so bad that he gave me up without even thinking about it. He regretted that all these years. I felt kind of guilty about blowing up his bar, so I took him with me to Mexico. I bought him a little oceanside cantine in Belize where he does pretty well with the tourists. Me? Well, I set up a little lab down here to study roaches in the rain forest. And Eddie and I get along just fine. Ending with Eddie Jesus Christ! What the hell was that! That son of a bitch Samms. With all that goddamn scientific crap he has up in his room I know he’s responsible for this. If I ever catch that bastard I’ll kill him! The fire totally destroyed the bar. My home. This time I really had nothing left. I tried to get a job tending bar but nobody wants an old man scaring their customers away. So now I wander the streets of San Francisco, sleeping in the doorways, panhandling change, thinking about the old days. And Angelina. Ending with Roger Hahahahaa.... goodbye Eddie, I hope you enjoy your rent money in hell! I almost made the plane to Mexico City that night. I was running across the tarmac, waving hundred dollar bills at the pilot when they picked me up. The next day they pulled Eddie’s charred body from the building and then charged me with murder. Of course they didn’t believe my roach story. And now I’m doing 25 to life in the high-security institute for the criminally insane. Worst ending: I tried to show Roger that he had a family and I tried to show Eddie that he had something to live for. But I failed. It’s strange how people can be blind to what is right in front of them. Now they are both dead and Eddie’s on the waterfront is gone, bulldozed in the name of urban renewal and progress. On the spot where the bar once stood they built espresso bars and luxury condominiums. Our ghosts haunt those places, forever doomed to roam the spot where our dreams died. |
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I like to make (bad?) jokes and I sometimes overdo doing it, but I think you shoudn't have removed your latest posts (to spite me?). Your messages are very interesting and useful for all the people who read this topic (myself included) so by removing them you punished all the players. And me, of course. BTW, the last (bad?) joke was at my expense (too).
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You can have the last word if you promise not to pull the Eric Cartman routine again.
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I feel guilty here because i said thank you TWICE, but even it was a joke on previous comments - i'm struggling here whole playthrough because i couldn't catch up with you and comment on some things you were talking, because you were always ahead of me and because of the fact that you are far more experienced - i was playing second half of the game for the very first time.
That said, i especially found titles handy, like one for ending where even after couple of times i couldn't understand fully what was Roger saying. And although cat in Bad Mojo is certainly bad, it's only because we're seeing it from the roach eyes. I still love my home cats Which reminds me - what happened to the cat? |
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You think they never got out of her influence? They will allways be under her controll? She will forever have her eyes on them????
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It makes sense. I wonder why Angelina didn't turn Eddie into a cockroach? He started it all.
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So Eddie wanted to change the bad mojo he started, but Roger was still "infected" and needed a cockroach cure. He needed to see Eddies world. About moms: yes, i know. Have to look at my mom. I will always be her child, even now, when i'm 45. It has pros but is surely has cons, too. In this case, mom did it right. She had the look of love / heart Eddie and Roger lack. Both are very selfish and hate everybody, but both have the ability to love, buried deep deep inside. Hey, i now found out that Bad Mojo is a really heartwarming story! Ok, not for the cat or the cockroaches, the fish, the spider and ... |
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Moreover, Eddie didn't try to contact Roger while he was in orphanage/when Roger was a child , he only did so a couple a months before the time the game is set in (when everything went downhill for him - local authorities decided to tear down his bar, CSDoABC suspended his license to serve alcoholic beverages and electric company was about to "terminate gas and electric service"). It seems that Eddie wanted to (finally) meet his son only when his whole life went down the drain/turned to hell . Roger's attitude was quite predictable and understandable: Quote:
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About the endings. Strange as it may seem, I don’t care much for the best ending. It’s so cosy and nobody, not even Mom, gives a shit about the stolen money. Family matters, not fame and fortune, is what she said. So much for ethics. Eddie’s ending as a homeless bum seems much more fitting to his lifestyle. Karma and all that. I even found it touching. That one and the worst ending.
In the Roger-ending he definitely remembers his temporary transformation (“they didn’t believe my roach story”), just like Mom urged him to recall everything he’d seen and heard. So he deliberately chose not to save Eddie. How I wish they had made him scream “goodbye daddy!” instead of “goodbye Eddie!” The designers missed a golden over-the-top opportunity here. What makes the story great in my opinion, is that it’s consistently over-the-top and yet interesting, funny and satisfying. Not so easy to achieve, over-the-top can be extremely boring. Also told in a clever way, like when you gradually find out that after Angelina told Eddie on the Golden Gate bridge to think of his son, he actually did try to find him. The burned pic and stuff in Roger’s shower is the perfect way to tell the player what happened. Subtle, to the point and even moving. Well, at least for me. I’m always willing to suspend my disbelief when a game is good and immersive, but nitpicker is my middle name. Both the bar and Eddie’s room have plenty of portraits of Mom. So Roger never ever set foot in the bar? Oh, come on! And then there’s that great, sappy letter from Loving Reunions, which had me in stitches. Love can fill that empty hole inside you... your cold and broken heart. I’m sure Patricia Haven with her glib cliches is used to dealing with bitter souls, but even she must have raised an eyebrow when she had to write a letter to a son living at the same address as the father. |
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You are right, Fien, about the ending in which Eddie becomes homeless: it seems very fitting. It shows us, what would have happend if Angelina hadn't spoken to Eddie on the bridge: he would have killed himself or become homeless after the bar would been closed. Eddie needed Roger to be saved. I like the very loopy Roger who lives in the high-security institute for the criminally insane. In some way it is the real Roger. And it shows us, what would have become of Roger without moms (and later on in Mexico Eddies) influence. I think it is important to play the bad ends, because only by experiencing them we are able to understand that Eddie and Roger needed each other to be whole again. The bad mojo started when they where parted and ended with their reunion. Granted, they both are in some way totally cuckoo. But if they are happy studying cockroaches in the rain forest and mixing drinks for tourists..... so it be. Fien, you made me laugh out loud when i read about the stupid Patricia Haven who did not even raise an eyebrow. She is so over the top in her letter. It is really intrusive and repellant. And in some way an insult to Roger. But writing this i beginn to think that perhaps she wrote to Rogers adress at the university? It is the only thing that makes sense. Roger only moved into Eddies house a short time ago, if i remember well. Last edited by seagul; 12-19-2010 at 10:14 AM. |
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I think it depends on how you interpret what you see.
Are Eddie and Roger acting "normal" when they talk to each other? If you believe this, than you conclude, that they are rude to nearly anybody. Or are they acting extrem because they are under great pressure? Than they may be kind boys normally. But we have other moments of their lifes which we can consult to see how they are. We heard Rogers monolog at the beginning, we read his diary and we know how Eddie behaved in the past. And to me it seems they are full of selfpity, unable to cope with a bad situation, only seeing what others do wrong to them. They lack even the slittest bit of empathy. They are only interested in themselfes. And the funny thing is: only by reaching out for the other their situation changes. Only by seeing their little private world from a higher level they become the opportunity to change their situation. If left alone, Eddie drinks himself homeless and Roger gets himself mad. The game only shows the transformation of Roger into a more human being. Eddis transformation happened when he was on the bridge, trying to kill himself. Then Angelina spoke to him and gave him hope by reminding him of his son. That was an easy task for her. The game is mostly about Angelinas much harder task: to give Roger some sympathy for Eddie. I don't think Roger remembers every thing that happend while he was a cockroach. It is more a subconscious thing. Oh, it is too late tonight, i beginn to state the obvious. |
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