[dekaneas297]

Probably some have mixed chickens to ducks

Originally Posted by Thello

No, you don't understand! If a game doesn't use the same tired methods of an established dead genre, it cannot be part of said genre!

No, you don't understand! If a game uses almost no methods of an established genre, it can be part of said genre!

[Burns11]

Originally Posted by thejobloshow

Spoiler:

What about the mad doctor?

Spoiler:

A completely unnecessary scene, I didn't even know there was such a scene until my second playthrough. First time, guy gave me the creeps so I didn't drink and when he left the room I rummaged through the place and as soon as I found what I needed I got the hell out of there.

[Lee in Limbo]

*sigh*

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Originally Posted by Lee in Limbo

*sigh*

I know, I know. People and their arbitrary authoritativeness.

Personally I think Heavy Rain is beyond the adventure game genre.

[potan]

I wonder if somewhere else, people also debating whether Mass Effect is RPG / FPS heheuhee.....

[Thello]

Originally Posted by potan

I wonder if somewhere else, people also debating whether Mass Effect is RPG / FPS heheuhee.....

Probably. Just like the people at NMA will debate endlessly whether Fallout 3 is or isn't "Fallout." The reality is that it really doesn't fucking matter.

[AprilLives]

Bored silly and tired of constant attempts to define the illusive adventure game? So far, I’m loving the discussion on this thread. Even if much has been said before, a fresh twist from a thinking gamer usually pops out of thin air.

[rtrooney]

My comments to the Reviews apparently never made it into print. So I will recap those comments here. This may or may not be a good game. I don't know because I don't have the equipment to play it.

There were several who said they bought the equipment required to play this "game" just so they could play it.

Including the cost of the game, that expenditure was between $400-600US. That's a mighty expensive game. And any hint of a negative review would be enough to turn me off.

For those that already have a PS3, buy the game and have at it.

The price is a little to steep for me, who complains about games costing more than $30US...and for some, not worth $20.

[Hannes]

I'm a lil surprised that so many of you don't care what genre a game falls in. A good game is a good game, but that's a matter of an opinion. Genres are there for a reason; Someone who doesn't enjoy playing car racing games will not purchase such a game for himself, no matter how good the graphs or the "story" is, for one single reason: the emphasis is on driving a car. So yes, it makes all the difference in the world, which genre the game is in.

Secondly, I also do not think Heavy Rain is an adventure game. It does have some adventure elements in it, but so do several other games that are otherwise something else. That alone doesn't equal an AG. What I didn't like was how the story was set up for you, and all you had to do was keep pushing buttons to uncover more. Not much thinking required and I really do find it funny how so many of you fall into the developers marketing scheme of an interactive movie or whatever he calls it.

[stepurhan]

Originally Posted by Hannes

I'm a lil surprised that so many of you don't care what genre a game falls in. A good game is a good game, but that's a matter of an opinion. Genres are there for a reason; Someone who doesn't enjoy playing car racing games will not purchase such a game for himself, no matter how good the graphs or the "story" is, for one single reason: the emphasis is on driving a car. So yes, it makes all the difference in the world, which genre the game is in.

But that only applies if a game definitely fits in a particular genre. (in which case there is nothing to argue about) But what if a game only has some car racing sections? Or a choice to solve certain sections by car racing or using your wits? Suddenly it's not clearly a car racing game and doesn't fit into the car racing genre. The inclusion of car racing elements may still be enough to put some people off but those willing to tolerate some car racing (not a genre they buy but not something they totally hate) will buy the game for the other elements if they are good.

[AprilLives]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

But that only applies if a game definitely fits in a particular genre. (in which case there is nothing to argue about) But what if a game only has some car racing sections? Or a choice to solve certain sections by car racing or using your wits? Suddenly it's not clearly a car racing game and doesn't fit into the car racing genre. The inclusion of car racing elements may still be enough to put some people off but those willing to tolerate some car racing (not a genre they buy but not something they totally hate) will buy the game for the other elements if they are good.

Heavy Rain seems like the perfect vehicle to sort out the overlapping elements you mention, stepurhan. . I think it needs to be discussed and played more than once to grasp where the genre belongs because you start out in that delicious fog of not knowing. The realism is awesome and it feels like adventure but I might have thought twice before purchasing a PS3 for Heavy Rain had I been able to see this was largely about hand/eye coordination, reflexes, fighting and timed sequences.

[Hannes]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

But that only applies if a game definitely fits in a particular genre. (in which case there is nothing to argue about) But what if a game only has some car racing sections? Or a choice to solve certain sections by car racing or using your wits? Suddenly it's not clearly a car racing game and doesn't fit into the car racing genre. The inclusion of car racing elements may still be enough to put some people off but those willing to tolerate some car racing (not a genre they buy but not something they totally hate) will buy the game for the other elements if they are good.

True but then again in Heavy Rain you do more one thing than everything.

[Lee in Limbo]

Originally Posted by Intrepid Homoludens

I know, I know. People and their arbitrary authoritativeness.

Personally I think Heavy Rain is beyond the adventure game genre.

Agreed, to an extent. It's a firebrand, a vanguard on the path to somewhere new for AGs. I'm glad it's there.

[Mikekelly]

There was a time when people debated weather "Dreamfall" was an adventure game. (All those "action" sequences).

"Heavy Rain" is simply the best adventure game since "Dreamfall" and the first time in six years we've seen one sell this many copies too.

Heavy rain is not only an adventure gamer, its THE adventure game:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventur...in/review.html

"This deeply moving adventure adapts to your every action and is not to be missed."



PS3 is also getting this adventure game later this year:

L.A. Noire

Both are contendors for "Adventure Game of the Year!

[Mircalla]

Agreed, to an extent. It's a firebrand, a vanguard on the path to somewhere new for AGs. I'm glad it's there.

I welcome you to the land of adventure games that play themselves and can be won in one sitting by twelve years old clinical retards who were left doing amazing lettuce impersonations after one beating too many.

Thank you very much for taking us here, Heavy Rain.

We are forever indebted to you.

[stepurhan]

Originally Posted by Mircalla

I welcome you to the land of adventure games that play themselves and can be won in one sitting by twelve years old clinical retards who were left doing amazing lettuce impersonations after one beating too many.

I gather you're not a fan of Heavy Rain but this sort of comment is inappropriate. By all means voice your opinions on the game but try to be a bit more constructive in your phrasing.

[Luther10]

Originally Posted by Mircalla

I welcome you to the land of adventure games that play themselves and can be won in one sitting by twelve years old clinical retards who were left doing amazing lettuce impersonations after one beating too many.

Thank you very much for taking us here, Heavy Rain.

We are forever indebted to you.

I'm sorry but Heavy Rain is rated mature 17+. Did you arrive to that conclusion by allowing your 12 year old to play the game? If so, then shame on you, and I hope you go to parenting class...

[Mircalla]

Originally Posted by stepurhan

I gather you're not a fan of Heavy Rain but this sort of comment is inappropriate. By all means voice your opinions on the game but try to be a bit more constructive in your phrasing.

Why is it inappropiate? I have insulted no one and just used a somewhat colorful and exagerated way to point at the fact the game is in no way challenging, mostly plays itself, and has no more game on it than a choose your own adventure book. I did not even say this game sucks, which it kind of does. I only said a hungry zombie attack victim could play the game as well as, well, someone who wasn't attacked by hungry zombies. In which way, again, was that inappropiate?

Also, it is actually pretty amusing i can get kind of warned because i spoke of a game, and not of the people who liked the game, in a somewhat harsh way, but that Luther guy can get away with trying to insult me because he is too mild and boring at it. Double standards much? Live to be dissapointed, yay.

Originally Posted by Luther10

I'm sorry but Heavy Rain is rated mature 17+. Did you arrive to that conclusion by allowing your 12 year old to play the game? If so, then shame on you, and I hope you go to parenting class...

First, the day i allow some random ret... i mean, some random really nice people i do not know to decide what my kids can or can't play is the day i turn the insides of my skull into abstract graffiti over that wall right there. That's it, if some day i decide to allow a bunch of ugly alien parasites to feed on my insides for nine months and then on my sweat for eighteen years. I congratulate you, though, on allowing some random jerks from the ESBR, who are so very much cultured and enlightened as to think themes to be intrinsically mature, to make choices for you. That attitude will carry you really far in life, let me tell you. Or it did, who knows?

Second, think very well if you want to go flame war with me over this crappy game before trying to be smart, you little s... nice person, yes, as i have insulted no one but the game itself, and then only by picking a somewhat harsh way to point at a fact, the fact being that the game has no challenge whatsoever, at all, and mostly plays itself. If you want to turn this personal, sure, go on, i don't mind some sport, but then don't go crying for the mods once the choice comes back to chew your sorry ass off.

And there i was, hoping the mythical adventure gaming and puzzle solving intellectual elite actually knew the diference between attacking the argument (Heavy Rain is so easy an inbreed retard could solve it) and attacking the argumenter (heh heh, you abuse your retarded kids, i'm so smart). Live to be dissapointed, i guess.

[Tiocfaidh]

Mircalla, just leave

you are embarrassing yourself

[Lee in Limbo]

Originally Posted by Mircalla

...We are forever indebted to you.

We'll have to agree to disagree, as your arguments no more persuade me than mine does you. *shrug*