[Lucien21]

Originally Posted by dantebk

I was hoping it would be the next big thing for reading comic books, but since it doesn't even run flash, it probably won't be much more than a footnote in the digital comics movement.

Since most comics use cbz or pdf files not sure how Flash is even an issue. (Other than the Marvel digital service using flash)

This is a great device for comics. I have used comics on the touch for ages and it is awesome, but the screen is too small.



As for some of the other concerns.

You can get pens for the Ipod touch that work with those screens.

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMZzQpiJ9c

[Beacon]

I recently bought a 32GB iPod Touch. I love this little thing. At the time, I thought, "Only if the screen were bigger." Voila, the iPad. I agree that it is a little under featured at the moment, but add a pen and camera, and this thing could be killer. I fully expect Apple (or third parties) to add these features in time.

[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by Agustin

I keep hearing this about other tablets and the iPad not even being the best. Would anyone care pointing me to a reasonably good tablet that already exists? I'm not saying others haven't tried but I can't think of any other tablet that has lasted enough to be relevant. We'll see what happens with the iPad but, so far, this has been the only device of this type with such exposure and presentation. Even if it doesn't sell as much as expected, Apple may have single-handedly kickstarted (for real) the tablet market and this quite a respectful achievement.

Also, I think the technocrats out there are grossly missing the point. They're complaining about things such as lack of multitasking, no USB port, a closed app environment… I can assure you that the average Joe couldn't care less about those things. We're not the actual market of this thing - none of the tech journalists out there and probably none of the people browsing this forum right now… It's the average people that are currently wondering why they need such a clumsy computer with this annoying thing called "an operative system" when they just need to browse the web and answer e-mails. Just think about it. To say the iPad has no artistic merits is moot. To say professionals won't be able to do their work either because there's no multitask, or pen, is also irrelevant.

Apple knows this and they knew how to approach this device. As a matter of fact, they may have been too cautious. It may have been the first time ever in the history of Apple keynotes when they weren't aggressive enough. Obviously, Apple can't say "you need the iPad instead of notebooks" because they would be slashing their own products. However, it's no coincidence that very recently they moved their low-end 13'' Macbook to the Pro line. I'm certain this has been a calculated move and it will work: the perception of notebooks will be that of devices for professionals and the iPad for general consumers. Again, it's difficult for us techies to note the difference.

Finally, if you have the time give this article at Daring Fireball a read: The iPad Big Picture. It's extremely insightful and mentions something that everybody is failing to point out: the hardware capabilities of the iPad and Apple's potential strategy for the market.

So I can't just hook up my iPod to the iPad without an adapter? I can't hook up a Passport Harddrive which stores relevant data needed for work, let alone a flashdrive? I can't hook up my wacom tablet so I can use it as an artistic device? Who is this audience you speak of? Last time I checked, Artists were the biggest audience for apple?

You seem to think that I'm looking at this as a gamer. No, I'm looking at this as common sense and logic. I can already say the average joe as it is hates the product. I've already hurt countless times how much of a waste of money it is from practically everyone I know that isn't a gamer or is just an office drone. They would prefer to buy a kindle in the cases of avid readers.

Sure, I agree its a good Comic Book reader. But from what I see coming from other companies making tablet readers. I can say that this will be the worst to come. The Microsoft Courier looks like it would be 100x better than this, mainly because they are making it for the community and not for their artistic ego.

In terms of better tablet devices? My HP TX2000 tablet pc for one. I love it. It has everything I need. Multitouch interface, a PEN, a Front Camera, etc. The only downsize is the thickness and lack of real design thought.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...me=tm2t_series

That is why Apple could have cashed in if they included some "Decent" features that will drive tablet users over to apple. It is not happening now that a lot of the features that office employees would use is missing. (Mind you that White Collar Jobs take a big chunk of the population).

Again, this thing is for those apple pawns that will buy anything from Apple, and attack the competition no matter how much better it is. *cough*Zune HD*coughroid*cough*


Since you seem to be a buyer who would buy something without researching. Here is something that will be more useful than a giant iPhone.
http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-f...-secret-tablet

Seriously, why do people play games on the iPhone? Its small and convenient.... I can say people will rarely be playing games on the iPad.



Oh, and it also seems people are ignoring the fact that I said that the iPad will fail for the first gen and succeed as a second gen. Just like the iPhone.

[Agustin]

Originally Posted by kadji-kun

Last time I checked, Artists were the biggest audience for apple?

Well then you certainly checked that a long time ago.

You seem to feel too much hatred towards Apple so I think it's futile to argue this with you. For the record, the first gen iPhone was certainly a success, it only got better with the App Store.

[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by Agustin

Well then you certainly checked that a long time ago.

You seem to feel too much hatred towards Apple so I think it's futile to argue this with you. For the record, the first gen iPhone was certainly a success, it only got better with the App Store.

Hatred toward apple? I already stated that I only feel hatred for the iPad. Are you reading between the lines? Stop putting words in my mouth. The first gen was a success, duh, but was it the best it could be? No. Todays popularity came from the Second Generation. Apple's sales graphs show it. The first generation was only successful because of the great amount of early adopters.

Oh and the artist population is about 65% of the apple audience. That was the 2009 estimate. Its only early 2010, so I'm pretty sure it isn't your so called "Long Ago".



http://gizmodo.com/5458772/dont-touc...rniture-please
I like how Walt Mossberg questioned the iPad's "Office Compatibility" and Steve Job's got a bit pissed. Ego much? Did he miss that a tablet is mostly used in the Office Environment? Wait, this is a world changing device. Fuck the office, fuck the system.




Oh, and here is Stephen Fry's thoughts on the product. Describes what i'm talking about REALLY well.
http://gizmodo.com/5458592/stephen-f...80-words-of-it
I'm not into magical objects. I'm like my devices to be practical. Currently, the iPad is far from that. I'll just have to be the naysayers for the time being. That is why I love my iTouch 3g. Saves me money from being an Apple Zombie and buying generation after generation of products that will always miss one feature until its right.

[Agustin]

Originally Posted by kadji-kun

Oh and the artist population is about 65% of the apple audience. That was the 2009 estimate. Its only early 2010, so I'm pretty sure it isn't your so called "Long Ago".

I will merely point out (to reinforce my comment) that artists may favor the iMac or Mac Pro line of computers, which are far from being the most profitable business for Apple. Young people, the kind of that got enamored with iPods, are Apple's biggest audience.

Also, you are the one who's putting words in my mouth - remember, you said "that the iPad will fail for the first gen and succeed as a second gen. Just like the iPhone." We can now all agree that the first iPhone wasn't a failure, if only for the early Apple adopters.

[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by Agustin

I will merely point out (to reinforce my comment) that artists may favor the iMac or Mac Pro line of computers, which are far from being the most profitable business for Apple. Young people, the kind of that got enamored with iPods, are Apple's biggest audience.

Also, you are the one who's putting words in my mouth - remember, you said "that the iPad will fail for the first gen and succeed as a second gen. Just like the iPhone." We can now all agree that the first iPhone wasn't a failure, if only for the early Apple adopters.

Yes, I guess. I don't know. I don't see the iPad working. I'll just say its Newton 2.0

[Lucien21]

The point you are completely missing is that this is a mass market device.

Designed to do certain things and to do them well. It was never designed to replace laptops.

The mass market don't give a hoot about laptops with touchscreens that swivel, they don't want to bother with installing firewalls or spyware cleaners and all that baggage that comes with a PC. They probably already have one.

This was built as an easy user friendly device that allows you to surf the web, read books, magazines etc, listen to music, watch movies etc etc.

It's a multimedia device not a computer, designed to use in the home not in the business.

Multitasking and Flash could easily be brought to the device with a software update. (if they felt the need for it)

[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by Lucien21

The point you are completely missing is that this is a mass market device.

Designed to do certain things and to do them well. It was never designed to replace laptops.

The mass market don't give a hoot about laptops with touchscreens that swivel, they don't want to bother with installing firewalls or spyware cleaners and all that baggage that comes with a PC. They probably already have one.

This was built as an easy user friendly device that allows you to surf the web, read books, magazines etc, listen to music, watch movies etc etc.

It's a multimedia device not a computer, designed to use in the home not in the business.

Multitasking and Flash could easily be brought to the device with a software update. (if they felt the need for it)

Very true, but what people want is something to replace our current Tablets/laptops. That was the whole point. We are sick of poorly designed hardware!

[Sughly]

Originally Posted by kadji-kun

Apple just wants money. They are a money whore. You buy there movies, music, adapters, etc. It just is a horrible device that focuses on trends instead of community satisfaction.

Yeah this pretty much sums up my thoughts. I could go into more detail but I've already argued this subject to death with an Apple loving friend and am exhausted by it.

Even for the so called mass-market though, even on a basic level of appealing to just the internet browsers, I believe it still fails. Amongst all the problems it has, the worst is it's inability to multi-task. If people really just wanted this for browsing emails without the need for any other multi-tasking then what's wrong with doing that on an iPhone?

Apple is looking for some new piece of apple culture to sell and they've run out of useful ideas.

[potan]

this is great for watching porn before you go to sleep,
twice as big, more details... awesome

[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by potan

this is great for watching porn before you go to sleep,
twice as big, more details... awesome

iPhone is still better. You can slip it under the mattress without breaking it. I'm pretty sure the iPad will be intrusive if placed somewhere. lol

[Intense Degree]

Teh Interwebz have spoken.

[Lucien21]

Considering Teh Interwebz can't even spell and the comparison is idiotic I think that picture says waaay more about the internet than the iPad.

[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by Lucien21

Considering Teh Interwebz can't even spell and the comparison is idiotic I think that picture says waaay more about the internet than the iPad.

Maybe, but the point was that the iPad can't satisfy the very BASIC needs, which go beyond using the internet and reading books. The ability to write and multitask, which is greatly needed by office environments.

[Lucien21]

People keep banging on about Multitasking.

This is targetted at the Netbook which while it can mulltitask I would serioursly advise against it. Netbooks are shit at multitasking.

On the ipod touch it is much faster to just shut the app down, open the other one and then go back to the original. With the virtually instant loading times.

The Touch also can multitask between the music player and the other apps as you can have the music playing while you surf the web etc.

I don't see it as being a deal breaker in a device that can do so many other things in such a slim form with 10 hours of battery.

Besides all the rumours point to a UI revamp in 4.0 of the interface which includes multitasking.

This is all just another case of "We already hate your game". Same thing happened to the Iphone.

[Sughly]

Originally Posted by Lucien21

This is all just another case of "We already hate your game". Same thing happened to the Iphone.

No it's actually apple trying to find the next piece of culture to sell to us, and this time they genuinely don't have anything new to offer. Anything this device provides can already be got elsewhere and often with better features and/or specs, and I think that's pretty much the bottom line on this.

EDIT: People were trying to pre-order this thing before actual information was released for it. This single handedly proves how obsessed everyone is with this apple technology craze. Like mindless moths caught in the light of Steve Jobs.

[Jake]

I'm gonna cross-post my rant about this over on the telltale forums...

You guys probably disagree with me

I have no idea how the iPad will be for adventures in particular, and I have no idea if the iPad itself will be anything special on day one, but the ideas behind it have a lot of promise, which people seem to be missing, or trying to angrily pave over with stupid internet jpegs comparing it to a piece of rock.

[Sughly]

Jake - The idea of having a computer on your desk with a keyboard, from which one can just pick up the screen and walk around the house while continuing to use it uninterrupted, is crazy. (Quoted from Telltale)

Erm... isn't that what you do with a laptop? And besides, how can this be compared to a desktop when you look at each item's capabilities?

Seriously, what is it about this that's so great really? What's the defining point/s that exists solely for the iPad that isn't already available in formats that are more advanced or offer the same (if not more) features? I struggle to think of any. I would say that others don't have an apple logo, but even that's a false point - apple themselves have notebooks superior to this (point in case, my friend is already seeking to sell his apple laptop that was barely touched to order an iPad).

The rock pic, I also believe, wasn't exactly put up in "anger" either but probably more so as a humorous joke.

[Mikekelly]

The advantage to dedicated hardware is that compatability is improved. The main problem to many with PC gamming is - will it run? And with stores no longer taking them back that can be a problem.

Will we see lots of adventure games on the ipad? I'm sure we will. The iphone has quite a bit of them.