[kadji-kun]

Originally Posted by AndreaDraco83

No, of course not. But I wasn't expecting - better, I wasn't hoping for a Dragon's Lair revamp either.

Ah, your in luck. its not a Dragon's Lair revamp either. I take it you never played Indigo Prophecy. Otherwise, you would understand how the game would work.

[AndreaDraco83]

Actually I played Fahrenheit. And I perfectly understand how it works: Get Ready! - push, push, push - tap, tap, tap

Now, all jokes aside, I have the maximum respect for David Cage, who is an amazing storyteller, and I utterly appreciate his far-seeing approach, but I can't really say that I'm a fan of this particular gameplay, which I usually find kind of detached.

[youfightlikeadairyfarmer]

Originally Posted by AndreaDraco83

Actually I played Fahrenheit. And I perfectly understand how it works: Get Ready! - push, push, push - tap, tap, tap

Now, all jokes aside, I have the maximum respect for David Cage, who is an amazing storyteller, and I utterly appreciate his far-seeing approach, but I can't really say that I'm a fan of this particular gameplay, which I usually find kind of detached.

Agreed. I hope it has more simply walking around talking to people than button pressing. Anachronox had a really mediocre-at-best (mostly due to the game shipping at 60% completion) JRPG battle system and the rest was walking around talking to people and solving little puzzles and it's one of the greatest games of all time and should really qualify as an adventure if it didn't try to label itself as an RPG. I really want this game to be fun, but I'm afraid that too much pressing X to not die is just going to ruin it like so many games before it.

[ozzie]

Taking in account what I saw of Heavy Rain and Fahrenheit so far I feel that David Cage's definition of mature games would be "serious games devoid of any humor". And that feels a bit unnatural to me.
Otherwise it looks interesting. I surely would buy if I had a PS3.

[Citizen Arcane]

Originally Posted by ozzie

Taking in account what I saw of Heavy Rain and Fahrenheit so far I feel that David Cage's definition of mature games would be "serious games devoid of any humor". And that feels a bit unnatural to me.
Otherwise it looks interesting. I surely would buy if I had a PS3.

Fahrenheit had some humor. I don't remember ever laughing my ass off, but it wasn't entirely grim and foreboding.

My hope with Heavy Rain is that Quantic Dream can avoid the downright stupid turns that the plot took in Fahrenheit. I still feel that Fahrenheit has just about the greatest two opening hours of gameplay ever... and it's all downhill from there as we go from psychological thriller and clever game of cat-and-mouse between killer and cops... to Mayan prophecies and overly Matrix-ized fight scenes.

Also, the quick-time events in Fahrenheit often felt like you were watching a cutscene while playing DDR on your keyboard rather than controlling the action on-screen. I'm not against QTEs... I think they can be fantastic when well-done (God of War, Resident Evil 4), so I hope Cage and co. have been taking notes. It's possible to make QTEs that involve the player in actions that would otherwise be impossible with standard controls, rather than detach the players from the action and make them mediocre interactive cutscenes.

Overall, though, I'm hugely excited for Heavy Rain, and have been for the past... oh my god... four years. I love what Quantic Dream is trying to do, even if they've rarely pulled it off without serious flaws.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Originally Posted by ozzie

Taking in account what I saw of Heavy Rain and Fahrenheit so far I feel that David Cage's definition of mature games would be "serious games devoid of any humor". And that feels a bit unnatural to me.

Silent Hill 2 had no humour whatsoever and it's considered one of the finest games of its type. I'm not sure what your point is.

[TiAgUh]

Originally Posted by Intrepid Homoludens

Silent Hill 2 had no humour whatsoever and it's considered one of the finest games of its type. I'm not sure what your point is.

Are you telling me that you didn't laugh when

Spoiler:

the zombies started falling from the sky?

Originally Posted by Citizen Arcane

I'm not against QTEs... I think they can be fantastic when well-done (God of War, Resident Evil 4)

riiiight ...

[Citizen Arcane]

Originally Posted by TiAgUh

riiiight ...

I'm serious. I think they're overused, but I don't think they're inherently bad.

God of War (1 + 2) had some thrilling boss fights that made heavy, heavy use of QTEs.

[ozzie]

Originally Posted by Intrepid Homoludens

Silent Hill 2 had no humour whatsoever and it's considered one of the finest games of its type. I'm not sure what your point is.

That's true. I think there's a difference when you're all alone, facing, fighting the supernatural, compared to an investigation game like Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain where you're still under "normal" people, you know?
It's my impression, not an argument, so there may be no point, anyway.

[millenium]

Has anyone got a spare PS3?

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Originally Posted by millenium

Has anyone got a spare PS3?

I'll be getting one myself later this year. The new Slim model is out at $300 (give or take a few details), should give the 360 a run for its money (which I already have along with a Wii). Looking forward to Heavy Rain as well as L.A. Noir and other titles.

More high production caliber adventures should be made for consoles. This is anecdotal but it does show how many of gamers are responding - tons of us over at sites like Joystiq, Gay Gamers, and Gametrailers are falling over ourselves with excitement over Heavy Rain. And yeah, tons of us are non-hardcore adventure game players. We love games that take you on an emotional journey and offer new experiences that conventional games don't.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Heavy Rain's David Cage wants to set the record straight on QTEs | Joystiq, 8/20/09

"No! We don't make Dragon's Lair! This is not Dragon's Lair – do you think I'm crazy? I'm not stupid. Do you think I develop on PlayStation 3 to do Dragon's Lair again? It would be absurd. Of course it's not." We typically lead into quotes with a bit more background than that, but those who've read message board diatribes dismissing the upcoming Heavy Rain as nothing more than a series of Quick Time Events surely understand the frustration of Quantic Dream founder David Cage -- who owns the mouth from which the above quote was uttered during a press demonstration at GamesCom 2009.

Cage went on to explain "when there is an action sequence, yes we integrate [these] QTE sequences," but the rest of the time, the player will have full control as they navigate the game's four characters through a deep, choice-riddled story.

[nomadsoul]

hehe he feels pissed and also demos new scene

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/...ur-heavy-rain/

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Originally Posted by nomadsoul

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/...ur-heavy-rain/

Thanks! Oh, and to those of you about to click that link, it's a moderate spoiler. I love the multiple camera angles, very Brian de Palma.

This game (among a few others) proves that moronic slider and inventory puzzles ARE NOT THE ONLY THINGS that an adventure game must be about.

[TiAgUh]

Originally Posted by nomadsoul

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/...ur-heavy-rain/

So.. its not Dragon's Lair, its KINDA like Dragon's Lair.

[nomadsoul]

Preview of another demo(of ethan)

sounds very promising and emotional, must read

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/101/1016656p1.html

(i like the subtle music thing^^)


same scene of shelby with different ending

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/heav...eplay?size=med



What is best about the game is main character death, i am going to make shelby and jayden die in my fisrt playthrough asap.
Good to have 4 characters so that you can select the ones you prefer more, i like both madison and ethan, but i have feeling that jayden will be cool too.

There are 60 scenarios, plenty of different scenes.

[SoccerDude28]

This game is looking more awesome every time I see it. I don't understand the hate that it is a bunch of quick time events. There is an intriguing story here, very complex characters, and emotional story telling rarely seen in the video gaming medium. So what if it involves a different mechanic than what we are used to. We have already seen it in Indigo Prophecy and it worked wonderfully there.

[AndreaDraco83]

Originally Posted by SoccerDude28

There is an intriguing story here, very complex characters, and emotional story telling rarely seen in the video gaming medium.

Is there? I hope so, and once I played the game I'll know for sure

As for the QTE, I don't mind them if they are done well. And the ones in Fahrenheit weren't. Judging from what I've seen so far of HR, at least they got rid of the coloured rings.

[nonax]

Sony just revealed that they are going to employ several Dutch top actors to do the Dutch voices. It also means that they're very serious about releasing it.

[nomadsoul]

Originally Posted by SoccerDude28

This game is looking more awesome every time I see it. I don't understand the hate that it is a bunch of quick time events. There is an intriguing story here, very complex characters, and emotional story telling rarely seen in the video gaming medium. So what if it involves a different mechanic than what we are used to. We have already seen it in Indigo Prophecy and it worked wonderfully there.

Whats interesting is that these same people are very comfortable with AUTOPILOT ACTION adventure games like recent PoP and Batman, just because they have pedigree. There are more games with worse/streamlined gameplay like ac, prototype, with challenge/gameplay totally laughable specially for ACTION/adv., and these same people complaining about no gameplay/onrails/QTE runs from demonsouls type games too.


Anyways
New interview

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2009/...ellin-stories/