Pirates of the Caribbean Ride reference in CMI

ATMachine · 06-29-2007, 02:55 PM

Another one of my game history/resource file investigation threads! It's been far too long since I've done something like this.

So I was looking through the Curse of Monkey Island disk 2 resource files today and noticed these two images:

They're from the advertisement for grog in the Goodsoup Hotel lobby, which changes subtly each time Guybrush enters the room. Notice the woman looks almost exactly like CMI's Elaine.

The left picture is the intended first frame in the sequence, which oddly never gets shown during gameplay. On the right is the one that does appear the first time Guybrush enters the hotel.

Now, a few exits and reentries later, you have this:

And this is where Pirates of the Caribbean comes in.

Back a month ago when POTC3 came out, I picked up a book on the history of the original ride, which sparked this train of thought and provided most of the info below. We all know MI1 and MI2 have ride references, most obviously Walt the Dog and the MI2 ending, but CMI is less talked about in this regard.

One of the most well-known characters in the POTC ride is the Redhead, a fetching young lass being auctioned off as a bride for some lucky buccaneer. Among the most famous phrases from the ride is the bidding pirates' cry of "We wants the redhead!" during the auction scene.

(In fact, the Redhead, nicknamed "Scarlett", became so famous that she was turned into a minor character in the POTC movie series.)

Concept art of the Redhead, by Imagineer Marc Davis.

Now, Marc Davis also painted a mural for the POTC ride in Anaheim, showing the Redhead after her marriage and descent into piracy. It's called A Portrait of Things to Come. Davis' concept art for it is shown here below:

Red-haired woman; an eyepatch; a plumed pirate hat; a full flagon of liquor. Rather a lot of the same elements, no?

Seems the CMI team were poking a bit of fun at this famous image by putting a twist on it with their own red-haired character.

(And then, of course, there's the final image in the series, which adds a black goatee in reference to Marcel Duchamp and Dadaism. But that's a whole different kettle of fish.)

More and larger images are available here at my website (scroll down to the bottom).

ETA: Never having ridden the Anaheim ride myself, I wasn't sure where this mural was exactly. Turns out it's... behind a liquor bar! No wonder the CMI team thought it would be a cool thing to reference in the Goodsoup lobby.

Kolzig · 07-01-2007, 12:14 AM

Wow, that's some cool info ATMachine.

You are like the official AG archeologist, these posts of yours should be made into some sort of article series on the official frontpage.

Egenfeldt75 · 07-01-2007, 09:54 AM

Hehe - nice

Dasilva · 07-01-2007, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolzig

Wow, that's some cool info ATMachine.

You are like the official AG archeologist, these posts of yours should be made into some sort of article series on the official frontpage.

Im all for that!

AFGNCAAP · 07-11-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ATMachine

Now, Marc Davis also painted a mural for the POTC ride in Anaheim, showing the Redhead after her marriage and descent into piracy. It's called A Portrait of Things to Come. Davis' concept art for it is shown here below:

This is killing me: is A Portrait of Things to Come a parody of a particular painting, or just the general Venus-and-Cupid-related imagery from Renaissance and onwards? Because the whole composition, especially the way Redhead is holding the cup and Cupid is pouring the wine into it seems so uncannily familiar.

Henke · 07-12-2007, 11:14 AM

On a sidenote, redheads rule.

Kolzig · 07-12-2007, 01:39 PM

I second that.

QFG · 07-12-2007, 05:03 PM

Thirded.

Nelza · 07-12-2007, 05:12 PM

Natural red-heads or dyed red-heads?

*Melanie68* · 07-12-2007, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFGNCAAP

This is killing me: is A Portrait of Things to Come a parody of a particular painting, or just the general Venus-and-Cupid-related imagery from Renaissance and onwards? Because the whole composition, especially the way Redhead is holding the cup and Cupid is pouring the wine into it seems so uncannily familiar.

FYI - ATM is on vacation so it may be a bit before he can rescue you. Can I hook you up to an IV in the meantime to keep you stable?

Henke · 07-12-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nelza

Natural red-heads or dyed red-heads?

Doesn't matter.

AFGNCAAP · 07-12-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melanie68

FYI - ATM is on vacation so it may be a bit before he can rescue you. Can I hook you up to an IV in the meantime to keep you stable?

Ugh, take that needle away from me! *shudder*

And the question was aimed at anyone who might know, not just ATM.

I had wasted an hour of my life looking for the answer prior to making the previous post, but found nothing. Which means that either the answer is "No, it's not alluding to one specific painting." or that I didn't know where to look. (By the way, Google really needs a true image search, ie. I sketch something, and it shows me similar images.

)

ATMachine · 07-15-2007, 08:27 AM

The reclining woman is a very popular image in art, especially from that angle. One that you may be thinking of is Titian's Venus of Urbino:

Or Manet's Olympia:

There are literally uncountable images of nude women reclining in that position with that particular angle. But these are the two most famous.

PS: I found a picture of the actual, finished Redhead painting as opposed to the concept art:

ATMachine · 07-16-2007, 02:41 PM

Oh dear God. Classical Venetian Renaissance art violates Photobucket's terms of service?!

Oh well. Earlier post edited to avoid the Nipple Police.

AFGNCAAP · 07-17-2007, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATMachine

There are literally uncountable images of nude women reclining in that position with that particular angle. But these are the two most famous.

Yeah. In particular, Titian's Venus was what I immediately thought of - but the scene lacks Cupid as servant! Conversely, no painting or ornament (that I managed to find) with Cupid and wine contains a reclining woman. I guess it's a testament to Marc Davis' artistic intuition that he picked two memes so complementary that I assumed I must have seen them together before.

Anyway, great research, as always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATMachine

Oh dear God. Classical Venetian Renaissance art violates Photobucket's terms of service?!

Haha, this made my day.

Now let's wait for someone to report your posting said art as offensive.

Nelza · 07-18-2007, 08:02 PM

Hmmm... the 'Cupid' pouring the wine reminds me of something in Fantasia but I can't remember exactly what...

06-29-2007, 02:55 PM	#1
ATMachine Retired Buccaneer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 779	Pirates of the Caribbean Ride reference in CMI Another one of my game history/resource file investigation threads! It's been far too long since I've done something like this. So I was looking through the Curse of Monkey Island disk 2 resource files today and noticed these two images: They're from the advertisement for grog in the Goodsoup Hotel lobby, which changes subtly each time Guybrush enters the room. Notice the woman looks almost exactly like CMI's Elaine. The left picture is the intended first frame in the sequence, which oddly never gets shown during gameplay. On the right is the one that does appear the first time Guybrush enters the hotel. Now, a few exits and reentries later, you have this: And this is where Pirates of the Caribbean comes in. Back a month ago when POTC3 came out, I picked up a book on the history of the original ride, which sparked this train of thought and provided most of the info below. We all know MI1 and MI2 have ride references, most obviously Walt the Dog and the MI2 ending, but CMI is less talked about in this regard. One of the most well-known characters in the POTC ride is the Redhead, a fetching young lass being auctioned off as a bride for some lucky buccaneer. Among the most famous phrases from the ride is the bidding pirates' cry of "We wants the redhead!" during the auction scene. (In fact, the Redhead, nicknamed "Scarlett", became so famous that she was turned into a minor character in the POTC movie series.) Concept art of the Redhead, by Imagineer Marc Davis. Now, Marc Davis also painted a mural for the POTC ride in Anaheim, showing the Redhead after her marriage and descent into piracy. It's called A Portrait of Things to Come. Davis' concept art for it is shown here below: Red-haired woman; an eyepatch; a plumed pirate hat; a full flagon of liquor. Rather a lot of the same elements, no? Seems the CMI team were poking a bit of fun at this famous image by putting a twist on it with their own red-haired character. (And then, of course, there's the final image in the series, which adds a black goatee in reference to Marcel Duchamp and Dadaism. But that's a whole different kettle of fish.) More and larger images are available here at my website (scroll down to the bottom). ETA: Never having ridden the Anaheim ride myself, I wasn't sure where this mural was exactly. Turns out it's... behind a liquor bar! No wonder the CMI team thought it would be a cool thing to reference in the Goodsoup lobby. Share Share this post on Twitter Last edited by ATMachine; 06-29-2007 at 03:32 PM.

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Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	Wow, that's some cool info ATMachine. You are like the official AG archeologist, these posts of yours should be made into some sort of article series on the official frontpage. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar.

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Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	I second that. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar.

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07-15-2007, 08:27 AM	#13
ATMachine Retired Buccaneer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 779	The reclining woman is a very popular image in art, especially from that angle. One that you may be thinking of is Titian's Venus of Urbino: Or Manet's Olympia: There are literally uncountable images of nude women reclining in that position with that particular angle. But these are the two most famous. PS: I found a picture of the actual, finished Redhead painting as opposed to the concept art: Share Share this post on Twitter Last edited by ATMachine; 07-16-2007 at 02:48 PM. Reason: Photobucket doesn't know jack about classical art

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